From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Dec 5 18:37:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rEgPS-0000e9C; Mon, 5 Dec 94 18:37 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:36:31 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:36:19 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 21:37 EET From: wizard@tower.nullnet.fi.\d.\d (Mikko H\dnninen) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > This is a list of files I have here that may fit into a WWW page: Okay, I'll make up a page on my site, and will start collecting things as I can gather them... The list below makes a good start! Anybody got a chance to do some scans so we can have some more pictures? Anybody got any ideas what it should look like? > > Alarm.discog-v1.0 Definitely belongs to the page > > arc What's this? > > change_ii.cho > > davesharp.jpg Belongs on the page... > > faq This as well > > hard.travellin > > lyrics Of course... > > raw.cho > > shelter.tab > > war_is_over.cho Dunno about the tabs and chords (or whatever the .cho files are). Might put them there as well (why not?). If I'm going to put this stuff on the page you (Steve) have to get them to me. How? Email (uuencode the jpg), or something else, like arranging an ftp transfer etc.? Of course, if anybody has anything that they think should be on the page feel free to tell me... > Steve. (5 days until I see MP again) Lucky you! :-) > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = > = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka Wizard // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // "Stay Alive!" wizard@tower.nullnet.fi // // -Big Country wiz@bigbang.hut.fi (fast) // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Sandman*LOTR wizard@purkki.bug.fi // ElfQuest*CW*Snarf*TP*Fantasy .sig under construction -- beware of falling letters! === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Dec 6 13:11:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rExnd-0000e9C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:11 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:10:49 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:10:44 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: WWW Last night, 1995 dates etc. ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: WWW Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:57:43 +0000 (GMT) > > > Alarm.discog-v1.0 > Definitely belongs to the page It isn't complete, but it's a good start. I'll have to do a MP&tP one too. > > > arc > What's this? Its an archive of list posts. > > > change_ii.cho > > > davesharp.jpg > Belongs on the page... davesharp.jpg doesn't work, but I have the same picture as a gif file. > > > faq > This as well Not much in here either. I asked for suggestions for what to put in, but I never received any. NOW'S YOUR CHANCE! > > > hard.travellin > > > lyrics I think there are about 12 Alarm songs transcribed. Any volunteers to do more? > > > raw.cho > > > shelter.tab > > > war_is_over.cho > > Dunno about the tabs and chords (or whatever the .cho files are). Might > put them there as well (why not?). > I think they should be there. > If I'm going to put this stuff on the page you (Steve) have to get them > to me. How? Email (uuencode the jpg), or something else, like arranging > an ftp transfer etc.? > I'll sort this one out by personal e-mail instead of the list. > Of course, if anybody has anything that they think should be on the > page feel free to tell me... > Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Last night, 1995 dates etc. Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:39:47 +0000 (GMT) I went to see Mike do a support slot for the Saw Doctors last night. He was solo and only using an acoustic guitar. He did a mixture of songs from Breathe and Alarm songs. Deeside was done slower and sounds much better than playing the original speed solo. Who's Gonna Make The Peace is a totally different song acoustic! Breathe is soon to be released as an acoustic album. I currently have the standard album, the Welsh version, and this will make 3 versions of the same album. Shows how good the songs are. :-) After last night's show Mike and Jules came out and my wife and I went and had a few drinks with them. I found out a lot more about the breakup of the Alarm. Jules was a bit more forthcoming about future events. Here's a summary: An appearance on a TV show with Simon Mayo to be shown in January. The US tour is set to start in Feb 95. No Greenbelt appearance this year but very likely for 96. My wife then promised that we'd go to the MPO get together (The Gathering) in January, so I'm off to Rhyl for the weekend. Finally here's an exclusive [:-)] Mike and the Poets 1995 UK dates: Fri 20th Jan London, The Garage Sat 21st Jan Wolverhampton, Wulfrun Hall Sun 22nd Jan Leeds, The Underground Wed 25th Jan Nottingham, Rock City Thu 26th Jan Cardiff, University Fri 27th Jan Manchester, University Sat 28th Jan Glasgow, King Tuts That all for now. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Dec 6 18:26:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rF2iZ-0000e9C; Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:26 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:26:16 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:26:12 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Alarm WWW page ============================================== From: wiz@nova.hut.fi.\d (Mikko H\dnninen) Subject: The Alarm WWW page Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:03:02 +0200 (EET) Allright, I've got a very rough first draft of the page. You can go have a look at it at "http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html". -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Dec 13 14:28:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rHWLN-0000e9C; Tue, 13 Dec 94 14:28 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:26:56 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:26:54 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Alarm WWW Page statistics The Alarm WWW page progress report Possible FAQ contents. ============================================== From: wiz@nova.hut.fi.\d (Mikko H\dnninen) Subject: Alarm WWW Page statistics Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:35:56 +0200 (EET) FYI: In the past week, the WWW page was accessed from 7 different sites (excluding my own site ^_^), of which 4 were from the UK and 3 from the States... Hopefully this is a good start! -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ================================================================================ From: "Mikko H\dnninen" Date: Fri, 09 Dec 94 19:06:20 200 Subject: The Alarm WWW page progress report Currently the following material is available in ASCII format (no HTML documents yet): - mailing list FAQ - discography - some lyrics (not all that I have are yet on the page) - tabs and chords There is also a page about the mailing list, which includes a "mailto:" link for mailing Steve (This email is posted via that link, so if you are reading this it means the link works!). Mikko Hdnninen, ================================================================================ From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Possible FAQ contents. Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Since the FAQ that Mikko has for his web page is so very poor, I thought I'd make an effort to bring it more up to date. Here is my proposed layout: Info on "the lads" Previous bands Brief history of The Alarm The split up Latest activities of the members Any comments/additions/ideas; if so then "Why don't you tell me." Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Dec 20 17:35:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rK6bD-0000eDC; Tue, 20 Dec 94 17:35 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:35:16 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:35:13 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Gathering 3 ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: The Gathering 3 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:52:08 +0000 (GMT) Got my tickets for the Gathering yesterday, so I'm off to sunny Rhyl to see a couple of MP shows next month. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Dec 22 14:37:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rKmm0-0000eDC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 14:37 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:37:32 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:37:30 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Bye till '95 ============================================== From: Steve Varty Subject: Bye till '95 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:34:05 +0000 (GMT) I'm away for Christmas and New Year now, so have a good time, and remember Mike Peters hits the US early '95. If only I can win the National Lottery I'll be over there with him. :-) Steve. ps Niel; I did get your tape but forgot to mail you. Do I owe you a tape? I will send one in the new year if I do. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Jan 6 11:06:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rQAcj-0000e9C; Fri, 6 Jan 95 11:06 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:06:15 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:06:12 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: MP Coming to the US Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: ESPrice@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:40:11 -0500 Subject: MP Coming to the US Steve, being that you have seen him live recently, can you clue us is to the kind of set he does? Does he do any Alarm songs? Is he solo or does he have a backing band? Merry X-Mas, and a happy new year. -Evan ================================================================================ From: dmanouki@qntm.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:04:36 -0800 Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Hey Steve, Do you know where they will be touring in the US. Dan M dmanouki@qntm.com ............................................ I'm away for Christmas and New Year now, so have a good time, and remember Mike Peters hits the US early '95. If only I can win the National Lottery I'll be over there with him. :-) === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Jan 6 14:21:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rQDfi-0000e9C; Fri, 6 Jan 95 14:21 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 12:21:26 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 12:21:24 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 12:17:48 +0000 (GMT) > > Steve, being that you have seen him live recently, can you clue us is to the > kind of set he does? > > Does he do any Alarm songs? Is he solo or does he have a backing band? > He does some Alarm stuff: Spirit, Hiding, Free World, Some others acoustic. 68 Guns has been promised for the next few shows. (Oh, forgot The Stand!) He has done solo shows, but he has a backing band called the Poets. Expect a LONG set. > > > Do you know where they will be touring in the US. > Not yet, but I will try to gget Peter at the MPO to tell me as soon as possible so that I can pass it on. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Jan 9 11:48:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rRGiP-0000e9C; Mon, 9 Jan 95 11:48 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:48:35 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:48:31 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: MP on TV yesterday. ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: MP on TV yesterday. Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 09:43:22 +0000 (GMT) Did anybody else see Mike on the kids religion programme "Heart and Soul"? I didn't know he was on, but just happened to be watching that very interesting Mr. Major talking to David Frost (Its a :-) honestly!) when low and behold a familiar face appeared on the screen. Mike backed by Jules, Chris and Emyr with somer other drummer (Where the hell was Brychan and Owen???) played 2 songs; Breathe and If I Ca't Have You. Not the best choice from the album I thought but who am I to say. Mike also talkled breifly about how he felt now he had left the Alarm. I may transcribe the interview if I find time. I now have to explain to my wife why her programme is no loger recorded, but it was the ONLY video tape at had. :-) 5 more days to the gathering, and a weekend feast of Mike Peters shows. Any of the Brits out there going? Please let me know if you are. Steve. p.s. I'm getting a lot of bounced addresses now. I intend to post a list, and if nobody shouts that they are still about then they will be deleted. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Jan 10 17:35:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rRibN-0000eBC; Tue, 10 Jan 95 17:35 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:35:13 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:35:08 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Revised dates??? ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Revised dates??? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 15:27:11 +0000 (GMT) I have just phoned the MPO for the first time this year, ad could only get the answering machine. It appears that the original dates planned for the end of Jan i the UK have been put back to Feb. If this is the case the the planed trip to the States will be delayed too. I hope to find out more this weekend. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Jan 11 13:47:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rS1VY-0000eBC; Wed, 11 Jan 95 13:46 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:42:04 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:42:02 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Bad addresses ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Bad addresses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:36:36 +0000 (GMT) If your address is one of these below, and you are still getting the digests, then let me know because I want to remove the problem ones to keep my postmaster off my back: > > 550 ... User unknown > (transient failure) > purtill@sifvs6 > (unrecoverable error) > (unrecoverable error) > Thanks, Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Jan 18 12:36:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rUXk8-0000eBC; Wed, 18 Jan 95 12:36 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:35:55 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:35:51 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Gathering The Alarm WWW page report Dave Sharp news New UK tour details ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: The Gathering Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:22:37 +0000 (GMT) Well, last weekends gathering 3 was superb. There was a 2hr+ acoustic solo show on the friday night that consisted of Alarm songs spanning Unsafe Building trough to the Raw album. Mike even did Tell Me, Up For Murder, One Step Closer To Home and reason 41. On the Saturday night the poets (now alas minus Brychan) played a 3hr set. Mike has started throwing cards again during WWYHWTSB and we got the promised 68 Guns. It is without a doubt the best show I have ever seen. I got an invite to the after show party too, but Mike was very busy and didn't have much to say. If you live in the UK you will understand this next bit. My friend Mark gave Mike a "One and only Andy Cole" T-shirt. Mike's brother Steve took it from Mark and pinned it up in the dressing room so that it was the first thing that he saw when he came off stage on Friday night. Mike fell about laughing, and knew at once who it was from. Steve has promised to show us the photos some day. :-) Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ From: wiz@nova.hut.fi.\d (Mikko H\dnninen) Subject: The Alarm WWW page report Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:17:16 +0200 (EET) I just checked accesses on the Alarm page. During this 1 month and a week the page has been up there have been accesses from 66 different sites. I haven't gotten a single line of feedback (except from Steve :-) ), but that doesn't surprise me very much. I doubt I'll keep counting the accesses after this. Though the logs are created automatically, so I might if the mood strikes me. :) Currently (as far as I know) there is a link to the page in two WWW databases: The Ultimate Band List and Yahoo. -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ================================================================================ From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Dave Sharp news Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:24:44 +0000 (GMT) Dave's second album is now in the mixing stage and should hit the shops about June. There are no tour details yet, but I expect we'll see something. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ================================================================================ From: "Steve Varty" Subject: New UK tour details Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:10:16 +0000 (GMT) Here is the revised tour dates for Mike's 95 UK tour: > > Thu. Feb. 9th London, The Garage > Fri. Feb. 10th Birmingham, Hibernian > Sat. Feb. 11th Nottingham, Rock City > Sun. Feb. 12th Cardiff, University > Wed. Feb. 15th Leeds, Duchess Of York > Thu. Feb. 16th Manchester, University > Fri. Feb. 17th Liverpool, The Lomax > Sat. Feb. 18th Glasgow, King Tuts * > > * There may be an extra show in Glasgow due to the > fast sales of the tickets for the first show. > Check locally for details. > I may make the Liverpool gig. I have box office details if anybody wants them. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Jan 19 18:54:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rV07w-0000eHC; Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:54 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:54:02 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:53:54 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Presence of Love Admin ============================================== Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:43:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Mickey \"Whose Name Was Writ In Water\" Moon" Subject: Presence of Love Hi. I have asked this before but no one responded. I'm wondering if anyone can send me the lyrics to Presence of Love. I would really really be grateful if anyone can. It's an important song for me and my girlfriend. So please don't ignore this. Thank you. Mickey Moon mxm8044@hertz.njit.edu ================================================================================ From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Admin Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:48:43 +0000 (GMT) I have just maved to a Mac (I know!!!) so if the pages of the digest look a bit strange let me know. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Jan 20 20:00:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rVNbv-0000eHC; Fri, 20 Jan 95 19:58 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:30:43 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:30:01 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: Presence of Love Presence of Love Admin ============================================== From: wiz@nova.hut.fi.\d (Mikko H\dnninen) Subject: Re: Presence of Love Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:33:46 +0200 (EET) > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:43:17 -0500 (EST) > From: "Mickey \"Whose Name Was Writ In Water\" Moon" > Subject: Presence of Love > > Hi. I have asked this before but no one responded. I'm wondering if > anyone can send me the lyrics to Presence of Love. I would really really > be grateful if anyone can. It's an important song for me and my girlfriend. > So please don't ignore this. Thank you. Sorry, haven't got that. If you do get it from anywhere please pass me a copy as well and I'll include it in my WWW page. Hmmmh.... Perhaps I'll try to type it in by the ear? Don't hold your breath, but we'll see. > Mickey Moon mxm8044@hertz.njit.edu > From: "Steve Varty" > Subject: Admin > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:48:43 +0000 (GMT) > > I have just maved to a Mac (I know!!!) so if the pages of the digest look a > bit strange let me know. Looks ok so far. (Just thought I'd answer since nobody else is likely to..?) > Steve. -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Jan 24 13:52:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rWjnF-0000eAC; Tue, 24 Jan 95 13:52 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 11:52:13 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 11:52:09 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list (Presence Of Love & guitar chords) Presence of Love ============================================== Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 11:24:30 +0000 From: Peter.Henriksson@eua.ericsson.se (Peter Henriksson) Subject: Re: The Alarm list (Presence Of Love & guitar chords) >> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:43:17 -0500 (EST) >> From: "Mickey \"Whose Name Was Writ In Water\" Moon" >> Subject: Presence of Love >> >> Hi. I have asked this before but no one responded. I'm wondering if >> anyone can send me the lyrics to Presence of Love. I would really really >> be grateful if anyone can. It's an important song for me and my girlfriend. >> So please don't ignore this. Thank you. > >Sorry, haven't got that. If you do get it from anywhere please pass me a >copy as well and I'll include it in my WWW page. > I've just mailed the lyrics and the chords to Mikko, so they'll probably show up on his WWW page soon. Are there any other fledgling Alarm guitarists out there? I would be very interested in chords/TAB especially for songs from the "Change" and "Raw" albums. " I've got "Spirit of '76", "Presence of Love", "Shelter" and "Keep On Rockin' in the Free World" typed down and safely? stored in the foggy depths of the hard disk. If someone's really anxious I could also type in The Stand, Marching On, Blaze Of Glory, Rescue Me, 68 Guns, Permanence In Change and One Step Closer To Home. (I probably will anyway, but right now I'm very busy so it may take a LOOONG time.) Have fun everybody. -Peter -- * euaphe@eua.ericsson.se * \_o__ __ _o_ * "As the road opens up * * Peter Henriksson * ] ' ' \|/ * in front of my eyes, * * Ellemtel Telecom Labs * /\ `---' * the only limitation is * * Stockholm , SWEDEN * ' ' | * in my mind" -The Alarm * === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Jan 25 14:12:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rX6Zv-0000e9C; Wed, 25 Jan 95 14:12 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:11:48 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:11:45 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Guitar chords WWW page update ============================================== Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 12:00:25 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Guitar chords > >Are there any other fledgling Alarm guitarists out there? >I would be very interested in chords/TAB especially for >songs from the "Change" and "Raw" albums. >" >I've got "Spirit of '76", "Presence of Love", "Shelter" and >"Keep On Rockin' in the Free World" typed down and safely? >stored in the foggy depths of the hard disk. > >If someone's really anxious I could also type in The Stand, Marching On, >Blaze Of Glory, Rescue Me, 68 Guns, Permanence In Change and One Step Closer >To Home. (I probably will anyway, but right now I'm very busy so it may >take a LOOONG time.) > I have the official Alarm guitar chord book (somewhere!!!). It has chords and music from the 1st three albums plus a couple of singles. If anybody has a copy of this book handy can they forward the ISBN. I doubt though that it will still be in print. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ================================================================================ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 10:10:43 +0000 From: wiz@nova.hut.fi (Mikko =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=94nninen?= ) Subject: WWW page update I created a very small Mike Peters and the Poets page today and put the tourdates there. Also included lyrics and chords of "Presence of Love". Lyrics to "Absolute Reality" are forthcoming.. -- Mikko H=94nninen, aka. Wizard // Mets=94hovi Radio Research Station // Stay = Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Count= ry http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*= TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Feb 1 18:21:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rZhnN-0000e9C; Wed, 1 Feb 95 18:20 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:19:33 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:15:05 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: HELP ============================================== Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 14:53:32 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: HELP Does anyone here read the following news groups: alt.music.alternative alt.rock-n-roll rec.music.misc If so tell me if you have seen any post from me in the last week. I have tried several times, and in several ways, to post Mike's UK tour dates.I have not seen them myself and am sure that they have failed to get through. Can somebody please confirm one way or another, or better still forward the dates to said groups. Steve. p.s. I have tickets for the Liverpool Lomax gig. Anyone else going? -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Feb 6 16:31:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rbUTj-0000eAC; Mon, 6 Feb 95 16:31 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 14:31:35 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 14:31:25 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Dave Sharp singing lead vocals re: MP touring Europe ============================================== Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:22:47 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: Dave Sharp singing lead vocals Hi, I was just wondering if anyone had a list of the Alarm songs in which Dave Sharp sings lead vocals. I believe there are several songs on b-sides in addition to his work on the albums. Thanks to anyone who can help. Richard ==================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 14:22:32 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: re: MP touring Europe I have forwarded this because others might be interested: >From: wiz@nova.hut.fi (Mikko H=94nninen) >Subject: re: MP touring Europe >To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty) >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:53:19 +0200 (EET) > >When I asked about Breathe at a local record store, the salesman did >know the band and who MP was, and said that the album hadn't been >released yet, without consulting any papers or anything.. So he was >aware of the album for some reason or the other, perhaps because >some others had been asking about it too? > >-- >Mikko H=94nninen, aka. Wizard // Mets=94hovi Radio Research Station // Stay= Alive! >wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Coun= try >http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest= *TP >IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HU= T >finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters= ! > === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Feb 7 12:05:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rbmnp-0000eAC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 12:05 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 10:05:08 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 10:05:06 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: Dave Sharp singing lead vocals ============================================== Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:49:04 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Dave Sharp singing lead vocals > >Hi, I was just wondering if anyone had a list of the Alarm songs in which >Dave Sharp sings lead vocals. I believe there are several songs on >b-sides in addition to his work on the albums. > >Thanks to anyone who can help. > OK, here's my first attempt: Up For Murder Reason 41 Reason 36 Across The Border Tell Me My Land, Your Land Legal Matter (live) One Step Closer To Home God Help Somebody Wonderful World "The last but one track on Raw who's name I can't remember !" Any more? How about a competition? A big fat cee-gar to anyone who can name all the Alarm tracks not sang by Mike. :-) Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Feb 16 14:16:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rf58P-0000eDC; Thu, 16 Feb 95 14:16 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:15:59 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:15:54 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Liverpool Lomax. ============================================== Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:08:11 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Liverpool Lomax. I'm off tomorrow to see Mike play in Liverpool (Oh those Mersey lights shining in the distance). If anybody out there is going please mail me today. Steve. ps I've lost track of who never got a copy of the introduction file. If you never got one, and want it, let me know. The list currently has 45 members. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Feb 20 18:12:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rgain-0000eAC; Mon, 20 Feb 95 18:12 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:12:17 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:06:31 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Alarm List Intro file ============================================== Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 10:16:49 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm List An Alarm Mailing List!!! Fantsastic! Greeting from Manhattan Beach, California (which is apparently one of places that Mike Peters filmed the "Back Into The System" video ). We are Alarm news starved here in the U.S. Please bear with me as I need to be updated as well as start participating in your list. If anyone can tell me what What Dave, Eddie, and Twist are doing, it would be great. The only news I have is this: Eddie is STILL writing a book about tattoos, Dave is playing blues clubs in New Orleans, Twist is an assistant district attorney here in nearby (to me) Los Angeles. I'm a huge Alarm/Mike Peters/Dave Sharp collector. My recent list of recordings includes 195 items. I wrote an article for the British magazine "Spiral Scratch" about The Alarm in 1991. It is full of errors, so please don't yell at me about it if you have read it. I've written a new article that include lots more records and Mike Peters stuff and I'm currently negotiating with the U.S. record collecting magazine "Goldmine" to get it published. Finally, I've spoken with Jules Jones about starting a version of the MPO in the United States. A friend of mine and some guys in New York (who I have't spoken to yet) may all do it together. For this, I KNOW Americans will want Alarm news as well as Mike Peters. Jules mentioned soemthig about internet access. Does she know the power of 'mailing lists' yet ? I believe they are the single best way to dessiminate information. Anyone? One more thing. Does anyhone know if the old Alarm fanzines "The Chant" and "The Blaze" are still around? (sorry for this being so long and sporadic, if you can't tell, I'm a bit excited about this whole thing ) Thanks, If anyone wants to talk about ANYTHING Alarm related, I'm willing to listen... Thanks, Steve Fulton sfulton@ix.netcom.com ============================================= Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:00:42 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Intro file I will send the intro file to those who requested it ASAP. For now all you need to know is that all mail is to be sent to me, and I make the digests by hand. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Feb 21 11:56:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rgrHf-0000eAC; Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:53 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:52:10 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:52:08 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: Alarm list MP - two questions Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:37:25 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Alarm list >If anyone can tell me what What Dave, Eddie, and Twist are doing, it >would be great. The only news I have is this: Eddie is STILL writing a >book about tattoos, Mike told me that Eddie is still writing music; I hadn't heard about the book. > Dave is playing blues clubs in New Orleans, His new album is finished recording and is now being mixed. Release dates are rumoured for June. > Twist is an assistant district attorney here in nearby (to me) Los Angeles. Same story that I have heard. > >I'm a huge Alarm/Mike Peters/Dave Sharp collector. My recent list of >recordings includes 195 items. That beats my collection. Any chance of a copy? Mike is an avid Alarm collector too; you should send him a copy. > >Finally, I've spoken with Jules Jones about starting a version of the >MPO in the United States. A friend of mine and some guys in New York >(who I have't spoken to yet) may all do it together. For this, I KNOW >Americans will want Alarm news as well as Mike Peters. Jules mentioned >soemthig about internet access. Does she know the power of 'mailing >lists' yet ? I believe they are the single best way to dessiminate >information. Anyone? Oh shit, I was hoping they would pay me to go out and do that job! :-) Mike has been saying that the MPO are going on-line in a couple of weeks during his recent gigs. I will have to find out more. Steve. ps The US tour is looking like May and Mike may be playing support to the Mission. This has all to be confirmed, but I'll keep you in touch. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =========================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:38:58 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: MP - two questions Two questions for the list 1) Does anybody own a copy of the Welsh version of Breathe - if so where can I get a copy? 2) Is it true that Mike's no longer with CRAI? A HMV assistant told me this last September/October - and Breathe-Acoustic Sessions is not on CRAI. Does anyone know why? Stephen D. ======================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:40:13 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > would be great. The only news I have is this: Eddie is STILL writing a > book about tattoos, Dave is playing blues clubs in New Orleans, Twist is > an assistant district attorney here in nearby (to me) Los Angeles. I was under the impression that Change was largely about coming home to Wales. It strikes me as odd that Dave and Twist would both be spending so much time in the US. Twist being an assitant DA in LA is almost too much! > I'm a huge Alarm/Mike Peters/Dave Sharp collector. My recent list of > recordings includes 195 items. I wrote an article for the British As a recovering collector myself all I can say is: There is hope. Get help before it is too late. Neil === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Feb 22 11:41:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rhDZH-0000eCC; Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:41 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:41:07 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:41:02 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Alaram items Re: MP - two questions Re: The Alarm list - Dave Sharp/Nigel Twist Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: Breathe - Acoustic sessions? ============================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:42:13 +0100 Subject: Alaram items 195 is rather a large collection - but what are we talking here, just records or everything? I dont know how many items I've got - but over the last couple of years I've written a list of all known Alarm records (so I know what to look for), when I've got time I'll count how many there are and post it later. Another question (they just keep occurring) - there was mention of a demo/promo 12" of Rescue Me which contained a version of New South Wales in the Spiral Scratch article - can anybody deny/confirm this? Stephen D =========================================== Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:59:53 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: MP - two questions > >Two questions for the list > >1) Does anybody own a copy of the Welsh version of Breathe - if so where >can I get a copy? Yes I do. Here is Crai's address where you can order it from: CRAI Canolfan Sain Llandwrog Caernarfon Gwynedd LL54 5TG Wales Telephone no. (from UK): (01286) 831111 > >2) Is it true that Mike's no longer with CRAI? A HMV assistant told me >this last September/October - and Breathe-Acoustic Sessions is not on >CRAI. Does anyone know why? > No. The acoustic Breathe is on 21st Century records (ie through the MPO), and is limited for now to 1000 copies. It is likely that more will be pressed but it will still be limited to MPO members only. If you haven't already joined the MPO then mail me because you can see what you are missing! > >I was under the impression that Change was largely about coming home to >Wales. It strikes me as odd that Dave and Twist would both be spending >so much time in the US. Twist being an assitant DA in LA is almost too much! > Here is the story Mike told me: When they demo'ed songs for this album there was tension between Mike and Dave because Dave wanted more of a lead role. They gave tapes of all the demos to the albums producer Tony Visconti (or however you spell it!) and asked him to choose what he thought should go on record. He picked all McDonald/Peters songs. Dave wasn't happy and we all know that eventually this rift lead to Dave recording HT and finally the split. Mike wrote the lyrics therefore to all of Change. This was about the time that Mike had a renewed love affair with his home country, so hence the "home coming" lyrics. This affair hasn't ended! >> I'm a huge Alarm/Mike Peters/Dave Sharp collector. My recent list of >> recordings includes 195 items. I wrote an article for the British > >As a recovering collector myself all I can say is: There is hope. Get >help before it is too late. > How dare you say such a thing here! :-) Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ========================================== Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:06:35 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Dave Sharp/Nigel Twist Someone mentioned that with "Hiraeth", why wouldn't Dave and Nigel want to get back to Wales. Well, I believe the reason for this is that neither was is Welsh. I believe Nigel is English, and Dave is English, part French, and maybe Spanish. Don't think that Hireath" doesn't exist though. My girlfriend is 1/8 Welsh, and she has never vbisited Wales. Yet, whenever I mention going to the Gethering next year, she says she gets goosebumps. She feels her homeland calling. It is quite strange actually. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:13:52 +0000 From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Hi Everyone, I've been reading the digests for a few weeks, but this is the first time I've posted. I'm the one that got Mike and Jules interested in the internet when I was in Wales last month. I stay in close touch with Peter at the M.P.O., and tomorrow I will be having a phone conference with Jules and perhaps Mike concerning the internet. E-Mail me directly with any questions regarding Mike and the Poets. Anything I can't answer myself, I'll get the answer through Mike himself or Jules. Love and Peace, Don E-Mail : pierreten@aol.com ================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:16:44 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest You wrote: >Mike told me that Eddie is still writing music; I hadn't heard about the book. I wonder if this means Eddie wants to play with a modified version of "The Alarm", or maybe start his own band... >His new album is finished recording and is now being mixed. Release dates are rumoured for June. This is very cool. Does anyone know what type of music it is. Dave has changed so much. The last thing I heard form him was in June of 1992. He played in New York. He had some really good new songs. "The Ghost of Preacher Casey", "Easterhouse", "Downtown America" and "Tender Mercy" all stick out in my mind. Does anyone know of any more titles? Does anyone know if Dave has been playing with a band, or by himself? >> Twist is an assistant district attorney here in nearby (to me) Los >>Angeles. Does anyone know Twist's real last name? I have some contacts, and if heis working for the County of Los Angeles, I might be able to reach him. Of course, he may not want to be reached! >That beats my collection. Any chance of a copy? Mike is an avid Alarm >collector too; you should send him a copy. Yeah, I'll send you a copy (via internet) tonight, as soon as I figure out how to export my Microsoft Access database to a text file that this reader can handle. >Internet >Oh shit, I was hoping they would pay me to go out and do that job! :-) > When I saw your list, I was thiking the same thing. Your resource is already here, why not take advantage. If the thing with the MPO doesn't fall through, I'll put in a word for you. >Mike has been saying that the MPO are going on-line in a couple of >weeks during his recent gigs. I will have to find out more. Please do! >ps The US tour is looking like May and Mike may be playing support to >the>Mission. This has all to be confirmed, but I'll keep you in touch. The Mission? They haven't released anything here in about 5 years! (I think the last thing was a version of Slade's "Merry Christmas Everybody", which is strangley appropriate given the Alarm's penchant to play that song) Neil wrote... >As a recovering collector myself all I can say is: There is hope. Get >help before it is too late. The problem is: Mike Peters. I was over it until he started releasing more stuff, now I'm spending more than ever! -Steve Fulton ================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:29:34 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Breathe - Acoustic sessions? At 5:15 pm 21/2/95, Richard Yen wrote: >What's this about an acoustic version of Breathe? Any information on >this would be appreciated, especially label info so that I can order a copy. > This reply is to Richard but I thought others might want to see it. During the Breathe sessions Mike, Jules, FM Slug(!!!), Owen and a string quartet from Liverpool got together in various combinations to record ten tracks from Breathe in an acoustic format. Some of the songs are so different that you would think that they are totally different songs altogether! It is the MPOs own 21st Century records and is only available via the MPO, (in fact every time you phone the MPO it is playing in the background). The number is limited to 1000 at the moment but I'm sure if enough people pester then there will be a second pressing. Perhaps limiting it was a ploy to count how many REALLY sell, and to judge how far Mike's solo career has progressed by the number of fans willing to put their money where their mouth is. Sorry if that last phrase is too English and lost on the rest of you. All this is only MHO. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Feb 23 13:03:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rhbKr-0000e9C; Thu, 23 Feb 95 13:03 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:03:21 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:03:19 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Rescue Me 12" Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Breathe acoustic sessions Various Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest - Acoustic Breath ? Favorite, Least Favorite ============================================== Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:30:03 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Does anybody have a full discography for Mike including promo/bootleg material? I recently saw an advert containing a promo release for Back Into.. (I think) and was wonderin what was available. Maybe if Mike and the MPO do go online (heres hoping), they could supply a complete discography of Mike/Alarm? After all who better than Mike would know everything, especially since he collects the stuff himself! Stephen ====================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:57:23 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Rescue Me 12" Concerning the Rescue 12" with "A New South Wales" on it. I'm the one who asked about it, and here is why I think it exists: 1. I saw an advertisement for it in 1987., but I stupidly didn't buy it. This could have been a delusion, but I don't think so. 2. After seeing the advertisemnt, which listed a 12" of "Rescue Me" with some song called "A New South Wales", I preapred myself for Mike to play it in concert. He did, and I new what the name of the song was before he performed it. This was March of 1988. 3. The UK 12" record releases for "Eelectric Folklore" were these: Rain In The Summertime: ---------------------- Rain In The Summertime (album version) b/w Rose Beyond The Wall Bells Of Rhymney (live), Time To Believe. IRMT 144 Rain In The Summertime (Through The Haze Mix) b/w Rain In The Summertime (lightening Mix), Rose Beyond The Wall IRMX 144 Presence Of Love: ---------------- Presence Of Love (album) b/w Knife Edge (live), Strength (live) IRMT 155 Presence Of Love (album) b/w Knife Edge (live), Bound For Glory (live), Dawn Chorus (live) with free poster IRMX 155 Rescue Me --------- Rescue Me (Tearing The Bonds Asunder Mix), b/w My Land Your Land Elders And Folklore, Pastures Of Plenty IRMT 150 Now, from the above, doesn't it seem like something is missing? First, Only the "Tearing The Bonds Asunder" mix was released on 12". Also, the catalog numbers. IRMT and IRMX for each one, EXCEPT Rescue Me? It seems unlikely. What does anyone else think? Steve Fulton ================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:02:55 +0000 From: Floydage@ix.netcom.com (Floyd Killen) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >This is the first time I've posted anything to the net, so go with me if I'm still getting my bearings straight. I was a major Alarm & (Mike Peters) fan, and most recently had to do some real detective work to locate a copy of "breathe" here in California. At any rate, I have some awesome photos of Mike Peters (solo shots) and photos of the band when I saw them open for Bob Dylan a few years ago. I also have various photos of The Alarm playing in and around California and Utah,( I was in college and never missed them when they came through) I even have one of Mike Stage diving into the audience in Park City utah, they are actually pretty good quality photos, if anyone is interested let me know. It sounds as though Mke's got some loyal fans out here. To Steve Varity, Stephen D and all of the others posting info on the band there's a lot of us out here that really appreciate it. Thanks for making the effort and keeping us all informed! =============================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:07:53 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: Breathe acoustic sessions Steve, Thanks for the info about the sessions. My mouth is watering. I assume that you sent my name off to the MPO and that I'll be considered a member by them? If so, how do I pay for a copy of the cd? If not, do I need to pay a fee to join the MPO? Thanks, Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================ Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:32:20 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Various Re: The increasing no. of questions :-) > >Another question (they just keep occurring) - there was mention of a demo/promo >12" of Rescue Me which contained a version of New South Wales in the Spiral >Scratch article - can anybody deny/confirm this? > This is a new one on me. I know of several "serious" collectors and will ask around. Re: Welshness > >Someone mentioned that with "Hiraeth", why wouldn't Dave and Nigel want >to get back to Wales. Well, I believe the reason for this is that >neither was is Welsh. I believe Nigel is English, and Dave is English, >part French, and maybe Spanish. > Nigel and Dave were from Manchester I think. Nigel moved to the US with his (American) second wife. After his divorce he just stayed there. Dave is half English, half Bretton (French). As far as Spanish goes it only refers to his mothers guitar I think. Re: Dave's forthcoming new album > >This is very cool. Does anyone know what type of music it is. Dave >has changed so much. The last thing I heard form him was in June of >1992. He played in New York. He had some really good new songs. "The >Ghost of Preacher Casey", "Easterhouse", "Downtown America" and "Tender >Mercy" all stick out in my mind. Does anyone know of any more titles? >Does anyone know if Dave has been playing with a band, or by himself? > He has some (my spelling is going to let me down again!) Appalchian folk musicians on the album with him. I don't know how many tracks they play on. A good quote about this was made by a friend of mine when he heard the news: "He's away with the fairies again!" Re: The Twistman > >Does anyone know Twist's real last name? I have some contacts, and if >heis working for the County of Los Angeles, I might be able to reach >him. Of course, he may not want to be reached! > During the days of Seventeen he went by the name of Nigel Buckle. I have heard a story of his unhappy childhood and how he was deceived by his step-father, but it got very complex and I lost track in the middle. The point is he may be using any name now! Re: Possible support slots before May > >The Mission? They haven't released anything here in about 5 years! >(I think the last thing was a version of Slade's "Merry Christmas >Everybody", which is strangley appropriate given the Alarm's penchant to >play that song) > This is looking doubtful now since the tour starts on Saturday. I hope he finds another support slot instead because he won't play the Newcastle Mission show on Monday due to time restrictions. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:47:54 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest - Acoustic Breath ? May be of interest to some so I'm sending to the list as well as Dan: At 10:49 pm 22/2/95, dmanouki@qntm.com wrote: >Hey Steve, > >How do I become a member of MPO and get a copy of the Acousic Breath? > >Get back to me when you can. > If you have sent me you snail address then you should hear from them soon, if you haven't then send it to me and I'll forward it. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:50:16 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Favorite, Least Favorite Have you guys ever taken a poll here of averyone's favorite Alarm song? How about your least favorite? Steve Varty? Is this ok, or do you think it will cause annoying static on an otherwise fantastic mailing list? -Steve Fulton (Breaking Point...Time To Believe) oops..sorry for slipping that in :-) === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Feb 24 11:50:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rhwfP-0000e9C; Fri, 24 Feb 95 11:50 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.9/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:49:06 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:49:03 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Its only me again Alarm favourites Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Admin ============================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:48:45 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Its only me again > >1. I saw an advertisement for it in 1987., but I stupidly didn't buy > it. This could have been a delusion, but I don't think so. > Hands up anyone who hasn't done that! > Rescue Me (Tearing The Bonds Asunder Mix), b/w My Land Your Land > Elders And Folklore, Pastures Of Plenty IRMT 150 > > > Now, from the above, doesn't it seem like something is missing? > First, Only the "Tearing The Bonds Asunder" mix was released on > 12". Also, the catalog numbers. IRMT and IRMX for each one, > EXCEPT Rescue Me? It seems unlikely. > > What does anyone else think? > I bought every UK release and I never saw it. It could be like the fabled Knifedge double single pack. (If you see what I mean). > >Thanks for the info about the sessions. My mouth is watering. I assume >that you sent my name off to the MPO and that I'll be considered a member >by them? If so, how do I pay for a copy of the cd? If not, do I need to >pay a fee to join the MPO? > The MPO is still a free service. > >Have you guys ever taken a poll here of averyone's favorite Alarm song? >How about your least favorite? > >Steve Varty? Is this ok, or do you think it will cause annoying static >on an otherwise fantastic mailing list? > I don't mind, but I'd rather somebody (and I think you have volunteered yourself) took the votes, counted them and sent me a summary to send to the list. If you send a definite yes and a list of exectly you want to put in the poll then I'll send it out. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:10:32 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Alarm favourites Trying to identify a favourite Alarm song is very difficult : Where Were You ... - first single I bought and responsible for making me spend quite a bit of money One Step ... - has to be a favourite because of the different ways the band played it live How The Mighty Fall/Firing Line/Breaking Point - all excellent songs But if I had to pick one I suppose it would be Moments In Time - I didnt take it in properly at Brixton, but watching the video still brings a tear to my eye (sniff). As for dislikes well there are very few but Eye of the hurricane has to be bottom of the pops! Unfortunately I didn't get to see Mike on his recent short tour, but I read in the 21st Centruy fanzine about a video of a late 1994 show being made. Does anybody have any further information on this? Also does anybody have any info on further singles from Mike? Well thats all from me for today Stephen D ========================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:29:37 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest You wrote: > >The Alarm Mailing List >====================== > >Today's Topics: > > Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > Rescue Me 12" > Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > Breathe acoustic sessions > Various > Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest - Acoustic Breath ? > Favorite, Least Favorite > >============================================== > > > > >Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:30:03 +0000 >From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk >Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > >Does anybody have a full discography for Mike including promo/bootleg material? >I recently saw an advert containing a promo release for Back Into.. (I think) >and was wonderin what was available. > >Maybe if Mike and the MPO do go online (heres hoping), they could supply a >complete discography of Mike/Alarm? After all who better than Mike would >know everything, especially since he collects the stuff himself! >He has some (my spelling is going to let me down again!) Appalchian folk >musicians on the album with him. I don't know how many tracks they play on. >A good quote about this was made by a friend of mine when he heard the >news: "He's away with the fairies again!" This sounds like the "Hillbilies" he was playing with in 1991. In 1992 I saw him a couple times with some guys from San Diego, but I guess these are new guys. "He's away with the fairies again"--I do not know what this means in the UK, but here it would mena Dave has "gone off the deep end", or he is "gay". > >Re: The Twistman >> >>Does anyone know Twist's real last name? I have some contacts, and if >>heis working for the County of Los Angeles, I might be able to reach >>him. Of course, he may not want to be reached! >> >During the days of Seventeen he went by the name of Nigel Buckle. I have >heard a story of his unhappy childhood and how he was deceived by his >step-father, but it got very complex and I lost track in the middle. The >point is he may be using any name now! > Poor Twist. No band, no wife, stuck in LA...maybe he and Eddie will get together... -Steve Fulton ================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:37:39 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Admin The introduction file that I promised will be sent to those who requested it (and our 2 new members - 47 now and counting) as soon as I get time. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Feb 24 18:04:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0ri2RY-0000e9C; Fri, 24 Feb 95 18:00 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:00:30 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:00:27 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Knifedge - double pack Various (again) ============================================== Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:03:02 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk (by way of Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty)) Subject: Knifedge - double pack I once thought I'd found the elusive double pack - unfortunately it turned out to be two copies of the Knifedge single! The question is - does it exist? Does anybody else have any further record rumours beside this and the Rescue Me 12"? Stephen D. P.S. Is there a reason for only a few people posting to this list? In a few days myself and Steve Fulton will dry up and then what? Huh Huh... God I almost broke out into The Message! =================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:21 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Various (again) > >But if I had to pick one I suppose it would be Moments In Time - I didnt take >it in properly at Brixton, but watching the video still brings a tear to my >eye (sniff). > Me too. > >Unfortunately I didn't get to see Mike on his recent short tour, but I read >in the 21st Centruy fanzine about a video of a late 1994 show being made. >Does anybody have any further information on this? Also does anybody have >any info on further singles from Mike? > The idea was for Breathe to be a "working album" to establish the name Mike Peters, and not really a 3 single album, so I doubt you'll see any. Who knows though. > >"He's away with the fairies again"--I do not know what this means in the UK, >but here it would mena Dave has "gone off the deep end", or he is "gay". > It was meant as the former! Mike will not be doing any support slots in the next couple of months. He is now going to get some R&R before America, Europe, Africa, Japan ............ Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Feb 27 13:34:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rj3im-0000eAC; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:34 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:34:28 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:34:22 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: Knifedge - double pack Alarm Poll Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Knifedge - double pack Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest More admin Alarm Songs That Never Made It Trading Collectables Bootlegs, radio-shows etc ============================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:44:14 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Knifedge - double pack Status: OR > >I once thought I'd found the elusive double pack - unfortunately it turned >out to be two copies of the Knifedge single! > >The question is - does it exist? > No, it was just a 1 record single in a gatefold sleave. It does show up on several discographies though. I suspect a double pack was intended but then scrapped. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:44:47 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm Poll OK, Ive decide to take the bull by the horns, and poll the members of this mailing list about The Alarm/Mike Peters/Dave Sharp. Here are the questions: 1. What are you top 3 favorite Alarm Songs? 2. What are You bottom 3 least favorite Alarm songs? 3. What are your top 3 Favorite Dave Sharp solo songs? 4. What are your bottom 3 least favorite Dave Sharp solo songs? 5. What are your top 3 Favorite Mike Peters and The Poets songs? 6. What are your bottom 3 least favorite Mike Peters and The Poets songs? 7. Which album do you think was The Alarm's best? 8. Which album do you think was The Alarm's most disappointing? 9. Which single, promotional or normal, 12", 7", or CD single do you think has the best mix of songs? 10. Which single, oromtional or normal, 12", 7" or CD single do you think has the worst mix of songs. 11. What tour do you think was The Alarm's best? 12. What tour do you think was The Alarm's most disappointing? 13. What cover tune, did the Alarm play live, that you wished had made it to a record? 14. When the Alarm first broke up, and there was little news about what had happened, were you angry at: Mike, Dave, both, no one. 15. Do you think Dave, Eddie, and Twist could still continue The Alarm after so many years? 16. With each successive Alarm album in the 80's, were you secretly hoping that they would go back and make an album like Declaration again, or maybe even write some punk songs inspired like Unsafe Building and Across The Border again? Ok, I think that is enough. I could come up with more, but this is a bit excessive as it is. If you feel like responding to this poll, send your answers to as many questions as possible to: sfulton@ix.netcom.com Thanks, -Steve Fulton ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:56:20 +0000 From: wiz@nova.hut.fi (Mikko =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=94nninen?= ) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:03:02 +0000 > From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk (by way of Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty)) > Subject: Knifedge - double pack [clip] > P.S. Is there a reason for only a few people posting to this list? In a fe= w > days myself and Steve Fulton will dry up and then what? Huh Huh... God I > almost broke out into The Message! Well I don't feel like responding to any of this single stuff etc.... I haven't got any of the singles, since I only got into Alarm at around '89 or '90, and even then obtaining singles would have been hard. Now, when I might actually afford to get some, it's impossible, I think.. And I'm not such a die-hard fan anyway, at least compared to some of you on the list : I don't have an extensive collection, I just have the albums. I do like their music very much, but I've never been good on talking about why I like this or dislike that.. Just thought I'd let you know I'm reading your discussion... :) -- Mikko H=94nninen, aka. Wizard // Mets=94hovi Radio Research Station // Stay = Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Count= ry http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*= TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! =================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:58:44 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >But if I had to pick one I suppose it would be Moments In Time - I >didnt take >it in properly at Brixton, but watching the video still brings a tear >to my eye (sniff). You have been able to watch that video more than once! I got through it only once, and can't bear to watch it again. >As for dislikes well there are very few but Eye of the hurricane has to >be bottom of the pops! At least Eye Of The Hurricane has some guitar (mike does sound a bit like Tom Jones whe singing the chorus)...Time To Believe has none. It is such a disappointment because with some guitar, it would have been great. I sent in stuff about "The Poll", so I'll stop here. -Steve Fulton ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:59:09 +0000 From: "Ironhead" Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Alarm fans... This is my first post here so please bear with me... I was glad to find out there was an Alarm mailing list...sadly enough I did not even know they had broken up! What is the best way to get history on the band... I only know general things about them. I remember buying `Declaration' when it first came out (after I heard `Sixty-Eight Guns' on the radio) and I can easily say that to this day I can listen to it any time and still enjoy the whole album (which I can not say about many albums). Now I have to update my collection to CD! I guess `Sixty-Eight Guns' would have to be my favourite song because of that reason. Thanks... P.S. Twist a D.A.? How did that happen?! >>>>>>>> Will Leslie >>>>>>>> lesliew@bart.db.erau.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You can take the boy out of Canada, but you can't take the Canadian out of the boy." ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:02:42 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: More admin In case anyone didn't know: I do most of this list by hand, and I have a full time job, so be patient if the digest comes out sporadically. The number of posts have increased quite dramatically recently so it takes slightly longer to sort out. Thanks, Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:24:29 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm Songs That Never Made It Ok, new subject... How many Alarm songs do people know about that were played live or recorded in demos, etc. that have never made it to relase? I spent 4 years of life collecting bootlegs, and I only came up with 1 song, and a lead on another. The 1 song is "Black Side Of Fortune" from an Aylsbury Frairs bootleg from around 1984. The lead I got was on a song called "World On Fire" recorded for "Eye Of The Hurricane" but never released. Does anyone else have anything to add. I'd like to make a list. -Steve Fulton P.S. So far, it is a VERY short list. ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:24:55 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Trading Ok, I have a proposition to make to anyone in the UK. I need these 3 recordings badly: 1. TAN album 2. Breathe Acoustic Sessions 3. Gathering II Video It seems next to impossible to send to the MPO for the last 2, and the first 1 is basically non-existant. So here is my proposition: I have several Alarm items that I would be willing to Trade for any of those items. This aves the cost of both me and someone form the UK trying to get money changed and sent to the US/UK. The items I have are these: 1. US "Declaration" LP autographed by Mike ,Eddie, Dave, Twist 2. Love Don't Come Easy US promo CD single b/w Working Class Hero and Cooridors Of Power. 3. I also have a few surplus "Declaration" promotional post cards. If anyone is interested, please tell me. Thanks, Steve Fulton ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:13:30 +0000 From: Floydage@ix.netcom.com (Floyd Killen) Subject: Collectables Steve, Didn't someone recently ask about Alarm Collectables??? I was digging through my old photos of the concerts I had shot, and guess what? I found an old conert magazine that the Alarm sold at the shows. I think it was at a show in San Diego CA. in 1986-87. The cool thing is that it came with a plastic single! It's called "The Alarm Absolute Flexi" "Free only with the tour program" Can you believe I HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO THIS??!! Maybe it's the mysterious "Knifedge, double pack!!"...... (just kidding) At any rate if you want to post this to the other members of the group feel free to do so. Maybe I can find a record player in the near future and tell you what the song is on the flexi. Floyd ================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:15:04 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Bootlegs, radio-shows etc Can anyone provide information on Alarm bootlegs (vinyl and CD) and radio-shows? I'm trying to compile a definitive list and would appreciate some help. Also does anyone know if Tan is still available from CRAI? Keep on rocking Stephen D P.S. Is there anybody there? === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Feb 28 11:23:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rjO8T-0000e9C; Tue, 28 Feb 95 11:22 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:22:26 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:22:24 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Tan ============================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:49:03 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: Alarm Poll Please note: >If you feel like responding to this poll, send your answers to as many >questions as possible to: > > sfulton@ix.netcom.com Don't send them to me or the list please. Keep my workload down :-) Re: Alarm Songs That Never Made It > > >Ok, new subject... > Nice subject too. >How many Alarm songs do people know about that were played live or >recorded in demos, etc. that have never made it to relase? > >I spent 4 years of life collecting bootlegs, and I only came up with >1 song, and a lead on another. > >The 1 song is "Black Side Of Fortune" from an Aylsbury Frairs bootleg >from around 1984. > >The lead I got was on a song called "World On Fire" recorded for >"Eye Of The Hurricane" but never released. > >Does anyone else have anything to add. I'd like to make a list. > Perhaps we will have to get Mr. Peters himself involved in this project at some point when he is not so busy. Re: Trading > > 2. Breathe Acoustic Sessions > 3. Gathering II Video > If there is enough demand I'll try to get some of each of these from the MPO and sell them on at cost price. I'll need to check if they will supply the number needed first though. Remember that I will have to pay P+P to get them from the MPO and the P+P to send them out, so the price will be slightly higher. I will also need exact numbers. Of course trades would save a bit of trouble over exchange rates. Let me know what you think. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:40:30 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Tan I've just phoned Crai, and Tan is only available on cassette now. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Mar 1 11:29:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rjkis-0000e9C; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:29 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:29:30 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:29:28 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:35:01 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest First the poll 1) Moments In Time, Breaking Point and Where Were You.. 2) Eye Of.., Time To Believe and Raw 3) Homeless Child, Last Smiling Villain and Big Road Blue 4) Joey The Jone, In the City and there isnt another 5) Spiritual, A New Chapter and Poetic Justice 6) White Noise, Devils World and What The World... 7) Difficult to choose between Declaration and Change 8) Eye Of The Hurricae was a very mediocre album, some good songs but a crap album 9) A New South Wales CD single - this shows quite a few sides to the Alarm 10) Raw 7" single - IRS basically finished the Alarm off when they decided to put 68 Guns on the b-side. The single didn't sell well, and so IRS refused to release further singles. 11) No Frontiers - some blistering performances of Change songs 12) Electric Folklore - the same time as Eye was released. Not a bad tou just not as good as others. 13) My Generation - some great cover versions made it on to records A Legal Matter and Knockin' On are just two. I'm sure if the band gad released either of these two (or Rockin' In Free World) as singles they would have had greater success 14) No-one - it's just a shame Mike took so long to explain his reasons and that the other 3 didn'y carry on with the band 15) I still think Dave, Eddie and Twist could and should carry on with The Alarm. It looks to the outside world that the Alarm was Mike Peters and band but we know that is not the case. 16) No - music has to develop, and apart from a few hiccups that is what the Alarm's albums did. Change is a superb album, should have been double with Firing/Breaking/Corridors included. Trying to locate Alarm singles Visit a few record fairs and see what you can pick up. The problem I have is finding something new at a fair - most (all?) of the Alarms singles can be picked up fairly cheaply Non-recorded Alarm songs I had a quick trawl through various fanzines last night and came up with the following list (some mught be Dave Sharp only) CRISS-CROSS AFFAIR (Sharp probably) ANOTHER BRIDGE TO CROSS (same as above) JULIA (same) GOING TO NEW YORK (same) ROCK WITH ME TONIGHT (same) THE CROSS (I think Mike played this at Greenbelt once) STRANGER BLUES ANOTHER BRIDGE TO CROSS RAW (with Eddie singing lead) The last three were played at a sound check A further question I once saw a gatefold sleeve version of Eye Of The Hurricane being advertised - does this exist or is it the Rescue Me 12"? Stephen D =================================================== Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:13:12 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > >Alarm fans... > >This is my first post here so please bear with me... > >I was glad to find out there was an Alarm mailing list...sadly enough I >did not even know they had broken up! What is the best way to get >history on the band... I only know general things about them. I >remember buying `Declaration' when it first came out (after I heard >Sixty-Eight Guns' on the radio) and I can easily say that to this day I >can listen to it any time and still enjoy the whole album (which I can >not say about many albums). Now I have to update my collection to >CD! I bought Declaration when I was 14, and it was the only record I owned for 2 years. I listened to the thing everyday, maybe 3 or 4 times. I thought it was amazing, and fantastic. For a few years in late 80's and early 90's, I discounted the record as a fluke of being young, but now, when I hear it again, I'm stirred the same way I was over a decade ago. The sounds of the guitars, the silence, the drums, the total lack of guitar solos, it all adds up to be one of the best records ever made. I don't care what rock critics say, for me the best record ever IS "Declaration". (followed closely by "Who's Next", "Generation X" and "Strength") > >I guess `Sixty-Eight Guns' would have to be my favourite song because >of that reason. Thanks... > >P.S. Twist a D.A.? How did that happen?! Twisty, I don't know! If I can find a "Nigel Buckle" on the LA County emplyee register, I mat be able to find out. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:17:44 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Stephen asked about bootlegs... Here are the song lists for two bootleg CDs that I don't think he has the songs for: Switzerland 1989 ---------------- Marching On Where Were You Hiding? Howling Wind Third Light The Chant The Stand 68 Guns Bound For Glory (By the way, this shoe is from the "Kloten Festival in 1984", there is another CD that is called "Live in 1984" and I'm pretty sure it is the SAME show. Coming Of Age (in paranthesis are the names of the songs on the on the CD, they are pretty funny.) ------------- Marching On Howling Wind (This Waste Lands) Knife Edge (End Of The Light) Newtown Jericho (Jericko) Permanence In Change (Permanent Change) Absolute Reality Blaze Of Glory (Going Out In A Blaze) (track 8 is listed as "Give Me Someone" but is not on the CD) (Track 9 is listed as "Forever By My Side" but is not on the CD) One Step Cloier To Home 68 Guns Rain In The Summertime Rescue Me -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Mar 6 16:26:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rldi3-0000eAC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 16:24 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:24:25 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:24:22 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: IRS/CRAI Re: Bootleg CDs Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... ============================================== OUR MAIL SERVER WILL BE IFFY UNTIL WEDNESDAY MORNING: IF A MESSAGE BOUNCES TO ME THEN PLEASE RE-MAIL IT AFTER THEN. THANKS, Steve. ==================================================== Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:49:03 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: IRS/CRAI I was just wondering if members of the band have ever expressed any dissatisfaction over their relationship with IRS. I know that Dave Sharp's Hard Travellin' is on IRS, so I assume he didn't have too much problem with the company. But since Mike is on the CRAI label, did he feel he didn't get enough support from IRS (as Stephen mentionned earlier about the Raw single), or did he just want a change? Finally, what's the size/importance of CRAI as a label in Europe? Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:22:01 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Bootleg CDs >Switzerland 1989 If anyone (Richard?) wants it I have the address of a company who have this CD >(By the way, this shoe is from the "Kloten Festival in 1984", there is >another CD that is called "Live in 1984" and I'm pretty sure it is the >SAME show. > I have this Swiss CD plus an other CD called The Major Premise (I think) which is the same show. >Coming Of Age (in paranthesis are the names of the songs on the on the > CD, they are pretty funny.) As is the Guitarists name: Mr Dave Shape. This is an awful bootleg. I only have 4 CD bootlegs the 3 above plus a Strength era one called The Alarm. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:22:53 +0000 From: Juergen Gizzi Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Coming Of Age (in paranthesis are the names of the songs on the on the CD, they are pretty funny.) This is, in my opinion the worst Alarm Live CD-Boot, cause some songs are cut and the quality isn't what it should be -> It's from a radio broadcast from the Ritz in New York in 1988. (I have the exact date somewhere at home). The total Set was about 100 minutes long , btw. Juergen =================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:41:57 +0000 From: IRISHiis@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... I missed printing out the poll questions and now that E-mail file has already been deleted from my mailbox. Can someone E-mail me a copy of the poll questions? Thank you. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Mar 8 13:39:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rmK4z-0000eBC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:39 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:38:12 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:38:08 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Misc Coming Of Age HOT news IRS Poll Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Boot CD's ============================================== MY MACHINE CRASHED WHEN SENDING THIS. SORRY IF YOU GOT 2 COPIES. The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Misc Coming Of Age HOT news IRS Poll Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Boot CD's ============================================== Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:03:54 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Misc Has anybody recently been in touch with any of the fanzines for Mike/Alarm? Are they worth contacting? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:13:07 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com Subject: Coming Of Age >>Coming Of Age is the worst... I have to agree, this one is Really bad. The bootleg of the show I have (probably the same one mentioned)is actaully really good. The Alarm do a version of Majority that I wish would have made it to the CD. That is the problem with bootleggers. They think that by putting the big name songs on a bootleg, people will want it, but it is the exact opposite. Rabid,insane collectors (myself included) have all the versions of "68 Guns" they will ever want. I want a CD with "Black Side Of Fortune", "What Kind Of Hell", "Majority", "Second Generation", "One Step Closer To Home" with the band all the way through, etc etc. etc. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:16:09 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: HOT news A friend of mine who works in a record shop (and is a good friend of Dave's - thats how I get my info) has seen the Alarm "b-sides and rarities" album on a release schedule! I don't know the date but I will try my hardest to find out. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:17:43 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: IRS >I was just wondering if members of the band have ever expressed any >dissatisfaction over their relationship with IRS. I know that Dave >Sharp's Hard Travellin' is on IRS, so I assume he didn't have too much >problem with the company. But since Mike is on the CRAI label, did he >feel he didn't get enough support from IRS (as Stephen mentionned >earlier about the Raw single), or did he just want a change? Finally, >what's the size/importance of CRAI as a label in Europe? This is what I know about the Alarm and IRS. The Alarm was first going to sign a deal with EMI, but they decided not to (maybe beacuse Mike liked the Sex Pistols so much, and couldn't sign with them). Anyway, IRS offered a deal that gavew them a great deal of creative control. I believe the relationship was amicable, and IRS supported The Alarm for most of their career, but finally, slow record sales, and the end of their contract, plus the break-up of the band, eneded it all. IRS wasn't doing very good in 1991 anyway (and still are not). They attempted to sign the band "Green Day" in early 1990, but Green Day refused because they were a "washed up" label, which was pretty true. Mike was pissed at IRS for sinking the "Raw" singles by putting "68 Guns" and "Sold Me Down The River" as b-sides. IRS did this because they wanted to support sales of "Standards", which was released on 7 months before "Raw". Finally, I don't know if Dave's new record is on IRS, does anyone else? -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:21:22 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Poll Please, I can't find my copy of the Poll!!! If anyone else saved the Digest with the poll in it, could they please sned it to me, or post it. I'm really embarassed, seeing as it was MY poll! -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:22:37 +0000 From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Regarding the Alarm's satisfaction or dissatisfaction with IRS, this is what I know. As far as artistic freedom, Mike had no problem with IRS. However, in terms of promotion, he felt they should have done alot more. CRAI was chosen because they are a Welsh label, and we all know about Mike's pride in all things Welsh. I know first hand from talking to Jules that in the USA, Breathe will be released on a MAJOR label. Concerning Bootlegs, I have copies , taped from the radio, of several Alarm shows. 2 from the "Eye" tour (NYC, and Philadelphia), 1 from the Declaration tour, and I can't recall the others. I will post a list soon. Love and Peace, Don (E-Mail : PierreTen@aol.com) ==================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:34:54 +0000 From: Muegeli Thomas Subject: Boot CD's Off course both "Switzerland 1989" (Rarities & Few 1192 / Red Line) and "Major Premise" (Oh Boy 1-9139) are from the same show (I still have two copies (mint condition, one still shrinkwrapped) to give away (i.e. swap with something else)... Please do contact me via e-mail (muegeli@hist.unibe.ch). "Coming of Age" was a very early bootleg and I do have to different versions, i.e. at least the colour of the CD's and the printing are different (on the one is marked "John Deamicis sings" and the other pretends to be a CD by "Bill Henschel" and is printed fully in red - i do not know the intention why they did this, because you can see the Deamicis-Printing through the red Background. And the third CD I've got is The Alarm on the Stentor Label, recorded sometime in New York and which has (despite of the SuperSound-Logo) been copied off an LP... Hope this helps! Greetings from Switzerland! Thomas === End of today's digest === === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Mar 8 13:54:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rmKJK-0000eBC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:53 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:52:38 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:52:35 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: From this week's NME Re: Fanzines. ============================================== Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:23:20 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: From this week's NME Somebody asked what Mike was up to and got the following reply [paraphrased] from an MPO spokesperson: Mike was asked to support Bon Jovi but is too busy to do so. South African and South Eastern Asia tour up until May. US tour May - September. UK gigs in October. [YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS] Mike has signed for Sony for rest-of-world releases. Breathe sold 40,000 copies in the UK. Mike is working on releasing a new album early 96. Best of Alarm package in the Autumn on EMI. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:30:41 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Fanzines. > >Has anybody recently been in touch with any of the fanzines for Mike/Alarm? >Are they worth contacting? > I used to write for Unsafe Readings a long time ago, but that is no longer running. I have read Strength which is OK but at times is full of silly stuff like notes on how to juggle. I have two issues with an interview with Mike, and also with Jess, which are quite good. Mike likes a one called Spiritual. I haven't read it, and at 2pounds 25 it seems a bit expensive, but it is highly rated by the man himself. If anyone has read it, or has an address for it (Gazza? you must have???) then please post it. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Mar 9 13:47:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rmggY-0000eDC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:47 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:46:54 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:37:21 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest EMI/Sony Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Alarm Poll (again) Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: bootlegs Presskits ============================================== Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:14:32 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Concerning Majority - there is a bootleg album called Knifedge that contains a live version of Majority. The sound quality of the album is quite good but this is not surprising given that (I think) the bootleg is taken from a radio transcription disk. The show is recorded at the Hammersmith Odeon in December 1985. The odd thing about the bootleg is that Majority appears to be tacked on at the start of the show. Concerning The Alarm's b-sides and rarities LP - anybody got any ideas on the track listing. I know Mike was approached by IRS to pick the tracks, but which ones has he chosen. Ideally it will be a double album given the quantity of tracks to choose from. Hopefully it will include some of the live b-sides like A Legal Matter and Knockin' On Heavens Door. Stephen D =================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:00:05 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: EMI/Sony First of all, glad to hear that EMI will be putting out that Alarm rarities and b-sides cd in the fall. I can't wait. Hopefully, it'll be distributed worldwide (I can't remember if EMI distributes in Canada). As for Sony getting world wide release rights for Breathe, does this mean that the same version of Breathe will be released in North America as was released by Crai? Or does the deal with Sony mean that there'll be worldwide release of that 96 album and not Breathe? Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:18:55 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Here are my commets to Steve's News: >Mike was asked to support Bon Jovi but is too busy to do so. Good. Bon Jovi is considered somewhat of a joke here, and Mike would get off on a bad foot if went for this. >South African and South Eastern Asia tour up until May. >US tour May - September. >UK gigs in October. [YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS] Damn! :-)I was hoping Mike Would come here first! >Mike has signed for Sony for rest-of-world releases. I've heard this. I think he is on an mostly rap sublabel on Sony...wierd. >Breathe sold 40,000 copies in the UK. This is not too many. Of course, with very little airplay, I suppose it is OK. >Mike is working on releasing a new album early 96. Yeah...right. This will probably be more like Summer '96, Or Early '97. Look at his schedule. When is he scheduled to make an album? >Best of Alarm package in the Autumn on EMI. Fantastic!! is anyone willing to speculate about what might be on it? -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:19:21 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm Poll (again) Someone requested this, so I'll post it again: OK, Ive decide to take the bull by the horns, and poll the members of this mailing list about The Alarm/Mike Peters/Dave Sharp. Here are the questions: 1. What are you top 3 favorite Alarm Songs? 2. What are You bottom 3 least favorite Alarm songs? 3. What are your top 3 Favorite Dave Sharp solo songs? 4. What are your bottom 3 least favorite Dave Sharp solo songs? 5. What are your top 3 Favorite Mike Peters and The Poets songs? 6. What are your bottom 3 least favorite Mike Peters and The Poets songs? 7. Which album do you think was The Alarm's best? 8. Which album do you think was The Alarm's most disappointing? 9. Which single, promotional or normal, 12", 7", or CD single do you think has the best mix of songs? 10. Which single, oromtional or normal, 12", 7" or CD single do you think has the worst mix of songs. 11. What tour do you think was The Alarm's best? 12. What tour do you think was The Alarm's most disappointing? 13. What cover tune, did the Alarm play live, that you wished had made it to a record? 14. When the Alarm first broke up, and there was little news about what had happened, were you angry at: Mike, Dave, both, no one. 15. Do you think Dave, Eddie, and Twist could still continue The Alarm after so many years? 16. With each successive Alarm album in the 80's, were you secretly hoping that they would go back and make an album like Declaration again, or maybe even write some punk songs inspired like Unsafe Building and Across The Border again? Send Your answers to: sfulton@ix.netcom.com =================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:19:47 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Two different times I tried to join the Alarm fan club, but never got anything back after writing to the addresses given in the album linder notes. Does anybody know anything about fan clubs here in the US? Neil =================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:45:15 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: Re: bootlegs While most people have mentionned how bad Coming of Age is, and I fully agree, I have to say that "The Alarm" bootleg from Stentor is extremely disappointing. It claims to have been recorded in NY / Forum. I assume that the Forum is actually the UCLA Forum, for almost all the songs, if not all (I can't tell on 1 or 2 songs) are from the free Spirit of 86 concert at UCLA. The bootleg company tried to hide this by editing out a part of Spirit of '76, where Mike mentions the date. In other parts of the cd, Mike mentions California. I would actually have liked a cd copy of the concert, in addition to the video, but this is ridiculous. BTW, I'm interested in obtaining tapes of Alarm and MP shows. I'm especially looking for a copy of the Alarm's Brixton Academy show at the end of the Change tour in 1990. Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ==================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:07:00 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Presskits Date sent: 9-MAR-1995 09:49:53 Does anyone have any info (or even own!) any of the presskits that were release for The Alarm. I vaguely remember hearing about one (1989/90) that contained a t-shirt, discography, history etc - I think it was for the Presence of Love single, but I maybe wrong. I also think that the presskit for the Change album was a fold-out booklet. Can anybody give any further info? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Mar 10 13:15:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rn2fD-0000eDC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:15 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:15:11 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:15:08 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Press Kits Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Stiff Little Fingers Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:09:28 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest This EMI record - is it a Greatest Hits album or a b-sides and rarities album, or are there in fact two albums?! I cant see the point of a greatest h s album - Standards was out a few years ago, and the band didn;t have any further chart success, so what is the point! (Thats not to say I wouldn't buy it! :) ) It's good to see that there is more participation in the list - I was beginning to think that there were only blokes called Steve! ;) Stephen D P.S. Nobody knows anything about Borland C++ do they? I have a problem thats driving me nuts! =================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:15:02 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Press Kits Here is a list of the Alarm press kits that I own: - Declaration: 4 page bio + picture - Strength: 2 page bio + picture - Strength (USA)1 page bio + picture - Spirit Of '76 Video 1/2 page bio - Spirit Of '86 1 page bio + picture - Change: Die cut, full color gate fold folder, w/4 page bio and 1 picture - Raw (USA): IRS time stamped 1 page fax. ----- I don't own and know about: Raw: UK pizza box promo with sweatshirt, bio, and Raw single. Anyone else who want to add something to this list... -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:28:17 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > >As for Sony getting world wide release rights for Breathe, does this mean >that the same version of Breathe will be released in North America as was >released by Crai? Or does the deal with Sony mean that there'll be >worldwide release of that 96 album and not Breathe? > I think you will get the same version of Breathe as we did, but on Sony. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ==================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:09:16 +0000 From: 91760984 <91760984@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: Stiff Little Fingers I just want to make sure that everyone knows of Mike's two supporting gigs for the Stiff Little Fingers. He is doing a solo acoustic set for both: Saturday 11 March 1995 -- Manchester Academy Saturday 18 March 1995 -- T&C in London I dont know if tickets are available for these nights, but as usual it should be blinding. Theres a Mikey boy coming round the bend. Gazza. =================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:12:56 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:18:55 +0000 > From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) > Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > > Here are my commets to Steve's News: > [snip] > >Breathe sold 40,000 copies in the UK. > > This is not too many. Of course, with very little airplay, > I suppose it is OK. Actually, I think its quite an impressive number of records to be sold. Its been out for only about six months or so. I suppose this is my Canadian upbringing speaking, since we only require 50 000 records to be sold to get a gold record award. The UK's only got about twice the population of Canada, so I'd qualify Mike's record as being quite successful. Once he tours again in the UK, the sales should go even higher. Richard === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Mar 13 19:58:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0roELX-0000eAC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 19:55 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:39:34 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:39:27 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: new album rarities and b-sides Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest The Message ============================================== Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:59:45 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: new album Date sent: 10-MAR-1995 12:46:59 I agree with Steve Fulton in that Mike's next album wont be until late 1996 at the very earliest, given his time schedule. Maybe we can expect a live album in the meantime - now that would be worth buying! By the way, has anybody come across Mike+Poets bootlegs? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:32:11 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: rarities and b-sides As someone has already mentionned, it'd be nice to have a double album of this material, since its so numerous (oh God, do we say 'numerous' in this situation in English? I've been in a francophone community too long!). Truthfully, it'd be enough to fill a box set. Of course, it'll never make it to a box set because of the high price. But I think that for the same reason, we won't see a double album. It essentially doubles the cost of the release and will scare off non die-hard Alarm fans. A single album might draw in people who are fans but not "fanatic". So perhaps a double album released on two seperate discs would be in order. What does everyone else think? Richard =================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:24:07 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Mike Peters in the USA!!! Rumor has it (and the MPO says it is true) that Mike will be doing a "Promotional tour" in the USA in April. Wow! This is really cool. That probably means the album will be released here. Now, if I could just find out if he wants to play a game of Soccer (footy) when he gets here... -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:25:56 +0000 From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: The Message Finally got my hands on the original version of "The Message" by Grand Master Flash , anyone else heard it? After hearing the original, I think Mike did an excellent job of covering it. Just thought I'd see what everyone else thinks. Love and Peace, Don === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Mar 14 18:35:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0roZYK-0000e9C; Tue, 14 Mar 95 18:34 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:34:32 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:34:28 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:45:03 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Don Wrote: > >Finally got my hands on the original version of "The Message" by Grand >Master >Flash , anyone else heard it? After hearing the original, I think Mike >did an >excellent job of covering it. Just thought I'd see what everyone else >thinks. I haven't heard the original yet, but how is close is Mike's to the original? I would hope that it is close, while being much different. One gripe I always had about The Alarm's covers songs (except the studio version of "Bound For Glory") is that they were TOO close to the original. They didn't really put an "Alarm" spin on them. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:46:07 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Richard Yen wrote about B-sides and Rarities: Richard, I believe the B-sides and Rarities album may be a double album. Why? Because IRS just released a successful double b-sides and rarities CD by the Go Go's. I think they are trying to capitalize on the "new wave" revivial, and The Alrm is one of their new wave assets. Don't get me wrong though, I do not necessarily think The Alarm were a new wave band (although The Chant comes pretty close). -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:46:41 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > So perhaps a double album released on two seperate discs would be in > order. What does everyone else think? Many of the unreleased songs are short. You can get a lot of 3 minute songs on a CD. Neil RE:The Message Being a Yank, and slightly lazy, I don't have Mike's new album, but I do have a boot of a Liverpool show where Mike does a bit of The Message. A few weeks ago somebody made a reference to it, but I didn't get it because I didn't know Mike had done the song. Am I to understand that he covers the whole thing on the album? I have "Greatest Messages," a greatest hits record by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, which has The Message and Survival (Message II). I understand that the origional 12" single of The Message is over 7 minutes, although the version on Greatest Messages is 4 1/2 or so. I really like The Message, but it was also my introduction to rap. I can't comment much beyond that regarding what Mike has done with it. Neil === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Mar 17 18:44:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rpf6a-0000e9C; Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:42 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:40:56 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:40:53 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: b-sides and rarities double albums Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... ============================================== Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:33:31 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: b-sides and rarities Date sent: 16-MAR-1995 09:32:52 I've been giving some thoughts to what I would like to see on The Alarms b-sides and rarities LP. Here are my 15 contenders Dont Let Go, For Freedom (live), Across The Border, Pavilion Steps, Legal Matter (live) Room At The Top, Majority, Absolute Reality (acoustic version), Elders and Folklore, My Land Your Land, Bound For Glory (live), Corridors Of Power, Firing Line, Breaking Point and Change I. All of the above appeared on singles - I dont know what you would include under the banner 'Rarities'. Whilst thinking about the above list, it occurred to me that there might be another version of My Land Your Land. There is an extra verse in the lyrics that never appears in the song. Anybody any comments? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:33:51 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: double albums Date sent: 16-MAR-1995 09:41:38 With regards to a double album - some recent releases over here in the UK have had a limited edition double album for the same price as the single album - maybe IRS might do the same! Can we expect any single releases from IRS in order to promote the album? Probably not! Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:39:52 +0000 From: IRISHiis@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... I just finally got my hands on a copy of "Breathe" and I must say I think it is great!!! It was definitely worth the search to find a copy. If anyone else in the U.S. would like a copy, I finally found mine through "Junior's Farm Records" in Lawrence Kansas. Phone # (913) 842-3344. Or E-Mail via Internet: 74237.3062@compuserve.com Cody is the name of the guy who assisted me at Junior's Farm. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Mar 20 18:41:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rqkW6-0000e9C; Mon, 20 Mar 95 18:41 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:08:13 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:07:57 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@NEWCASTLE.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Corridors Of Power Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: b-sides and rarities ============================================== Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:44:20 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Corridors Of Power Date sent: 20-MAR-1995 08:43:25 Does anyone know what the last line Mike sings in Corridors Of Power. It sounds to me like "Cos we're all going to die" which is probably no where near what he actually sings. How about people writing in saying what is the most collectable item that they own? It doesn't necessarily have to be THAT rare, but something they are proud to own, show off etc. I'll start the ball rolling... now let me think... I supose it would have to be the promo pack for Spirit of '76 - a unique poster, 7" flexi-disc in a unique envelope - I've only ever seen one, and that was the one I bought! Any other offerings? Stephen D P.S. I'm not sure whether we should exclude Mr Fulton from describing his most precious item, since his collection puts everyone elses to shame! Only joking Steve :) "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:56:32 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > and Folklore, My Land Your Land, Bound For Glory (live), Corridors Of > Power, Firing Line, Breaking Point and Change I. (deletions) > Whilst thinking about the above list, it occurred to me that there > might be another version of My Land Your Land. There is an extra > verse in the lyrics that never appears in the song. Anybody > any comments? Somebody explain this to me! Please! I don't know how to put into words how disapointed I was when I realized that the b-side of the wonderfull, picture sleave, Alarm 45 I had just purchased could not even be fiarly described as music. My Land Your Land is the most pitiful thing I know of that the noble, respectable, artistic, moving, human reputation and name, Alarm, has been associated with. I don't get it. I just don't get it. Neil =================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:57:32 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Other b-sides that should be included: "Bank Holiday Weekend","Reason 41 (live)",A version of "One Step Closer" with the band all the way through, Any interesting demos, "Black Side Of Fortune", Acoustic version of "Only The Thunder", and acoustic version of "A New Soth Wales" if it really exists. I'd also like to see "Lie Of Ther Land" on there, and maybe a Who cover (besides "legal Matter"). -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:58:31 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Mike Peters U.S. tour update: Apparently, Mike will be touring with Del Amitri in April, here in the States. He will open for them, with a solo acoustic show, that should contain mostly Alarm songs. This will also be a promo tour, so there will lots of radio interviews, and most likely a few short, free shows. Dave Sharp: News is that he did not play on Stiff Little Fingers last album afterall, but he did tour with them. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:27:00 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: b-sides and rarities Here are my 15 contenders Dont Let Go, Bit of a cheat really since it is a Seventeen track. >For Freedom (live), Yes, or better still a studio take. Across The Border, YES! Pavilion Steps, Hmmmmmm..... Legal Matter (live) Perhaps >Room At The Top, Majority, Absolute Reality (acoustic version), YES, YES OH YES! Elders and Folklore, Perhaps. My Land Your Land, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! (sorry getting a bit carried away now :-) ) Bound For Glory (live), Corridors Of >Power, Firing Line, Breaking Point and Change I. Some of the above are already out on CD which is my real reason for buying the new album. Two important tracks are missing: Second Generation and the original Up For Murder. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Mar 21 17:39:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rr628-0000e9C; Tue, 21 Mar 95 17:39 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:36:31 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:30:45 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Goldmine For Sale Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Alarm Berlin'91 show ============================================== Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:52:50 +0000 From: "J.P.D. Hodgson" Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Steve, don't know if I should be mailing this to you or what, but I've been happily lurking for 6 months or so without saying anything (thanks for all the messages) so now I've got a question I've forgotten where I should mail it. Ohwell, I'm sure this will get through... Cheers, Jason > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:39:52 +0000 > From: IRISHiis@aol.com > Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... > > > I just finally got my hands on a copy of "Breathe" and I must say I think it > is great!!! It was definitely worth the search to find a copy. Well, I bought BacK Into The Sysytem when Mike promo'd it at my local HMV, andgot the 12" fully signed. I didn't rush out to buy It Just Don't Get Any Better Than This because I heard him playing it at Fibbers in York and thought it was one of the weakest songs he did all night (personal opinion and I probablyhaven't given it the chance it deserves) but then I found the yellow-sleeved promo CD for a pound so I bought that instead. Anyway, my question is, who thinks the 21st Century demo on ...System pisses all over the version on Breathe?It's so much more experimantal whereas the breathe version just blends in withall the other tracks so doesn't stand out. I only ask this now because I onlyrecently picked up Breathe (due to no money!). I saw it on CD in Birmingham of all places for four pounds(!!!!!) but then after looking further around the shop and also finding a The Stand USA promo 7" for a pound, also found about adozen copies of Breathe on tape for a pound each!!! Probably fell off the back of a lorry. Jason =================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:30:42 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >How about people writing in saying what is the most collectable item >that they own? It doesn't necessarily have to be THAT rare, but something >they are proud to own, show off etc. > I would say the Curtain Call CD because it has the extended version of Rescue Me on. > >P.S. I'm not sure whether we should exclude Mr Fulton from describing >his most precious item, since his collection puts everyone elses to shame! >Only joking Steve :) > No, we should MAKE him choose because it is harder when you have such a collection. :-) > >Somebody explain this to me! Please! I don't know how to put into words >how disapointed I was when I realized that the b-side of the wonderfull, >picture sleave, Alarm 45 I had just purchased could not even be fiarly >described as music. My Land Your Land is the most pitiful thing I know >of that the noble, respectable, artistic, moving, human reputation and >name, Alarm, has been associated with. > Hmmmm, I don't suppose you like Dave's solo work either. I LOVE My Land, Your Land. > >Other b-sides that should be included: > >"Bank Holiday Weekend", Another cheat. "Reason 41 (live)", OK. A version of "One Step Closer" with the band all the way through, Not needed IMHO Any interesting demos, "Black Side Of Fortune", Certainly any demo's Acoustic version of "Only The Thunder", and acoustic version of "A New Soth Wales" if it really exists. Yes. I'd also like to see "Lie Of Ther Land" on there, Yes, how could I forget that. and maybe a Who cover (besides "legal Matter"). I think they have enough of their own songs that haven't been on CD to not need cover versions (again IMHO) >Mike Peters U.S. tour update: > > Apparently, Mike will be touring with Del Amitri in April, here > in the States. He will open for them, with a solo acoustic > show, that should contain mostly Alarm songs. This will also > be a promo tour, so there will lots of radio interviews, and > most likely a few short, free shows. > Sounds like Mr Ps type of thing. >Dave Sharp: > > News is that he did not play on Stiff Little Fingers last album > afterall, but he did tour with them. Since Steve is a newbie [:-)] he won't have read my older messages. Dave wasn't on the Fingers last album, or the current tour. As a side point SLF have just released a new live album from the 1993 tour; ie the tour before Dave played. Maybe they will release a 94 concert with him soon. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:25:52 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Unique Items: First of all, Stephan, your "Spirit Of '76" promo pack is really cool. That would be my choice, if I had it. But instead, I'll choose this One-of-a-kind item: My most cherished, unique Alarm related item is my copy of Spiral Scratch that includes an article I wrote about The Alarm, as well as an interview with Mike Peters in which they query him about things in my article. This is important for 2 reasons. First, Spiral Scratch called me about the article at 5:00 in the morning, the day after my first date with the girl I'm going to marry this summer. The second reason is that, the copy of the magazine, is the same one I took to 5 different Alarm shows in 1991, trying to get a member of The Alarm to autograph it, but none of them ever showed up backstage. The magazine signifies everything I loved about the Alarm (I wrote it all in the article) and every reason why I hated them for breaking up. (I don't hate them anymore). -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:26:48 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Goldmine Ok, I just takled to Jeff Tamarkin, editor of Goldmine, America's leading record collecting magazine. He and I have been working on getting an article about the Alarm out this summer. He has told me a lot of people have written him about an article. He wants me to tell as many Alarm fans as possible these 2 things: 1. There will be an article this summer. 2. No one has to writie him anymore about an article, because one will be published. I suppose #2 is a thinly veiled attempt to stop "Alarmists" from nagging him, but #1 is prtty good news!!! -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:28:16 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: For Sale People call me all the time, trying sell me Alarm records that I already have. One guy, this weekend had a pretty extensive list of stuff. I'm going to post his list and phone number in case anyone is interested. UK Strength Album picture disc -12" Absolute Reality U.S. promo -12" Strength U.S. promo -12" Spirit of '76 promo, U.S. -12" 68 Guns, UK -12" Absolute Reality, UK -12" Knife Edge, UK -12" Deceiver, UK -12" The Chant, UK -12" Spirit Of '76 double pack, UK -12" Where Were You Hiding, UK -7" Absolute Reality double pack, UK The guys name is: Tom Lenas Phone Number: 904-684-4940 -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:30:38 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest I think the song My Land Your Land is a great song. If the Alarm had put out more songs like this, the tendency to compare them to this group or that group wouldnt have arisen. My only complaint is that maybe Mike should have sung it - but then maybe he sung on the full version (if one exists!) Stephen D =================================================== Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:11:38 +0000 From: Juergen Gizzi Subject: Alarm Berlin'91 show Hi Alarm-Fans, Does anybody have a tape of the "Raw"-show in Berlin at the "Metropol" in June'91? If yes, I would trade for a copy of it. Juergen === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Mar 24 12:36:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rs6jX-0000eDC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 12:36 EET Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:36:44 GMT From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:36:41 GMT Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Admin Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List field in the header to something relevant. Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest (fwd) Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest (fwd) Help!!! Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:55:15 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Admin Sorry about the lack of digest yesterday, but I never had time to compile one. I have included the intro file since there are so many new members. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List WELCOME TO THE ALARM MAILING LIST ================================= I would like to welcome you to The Alarm Mailing List, a list for discussion about the Welsh group The Alarm, and what happened to them after they split up! 1.) Address: If you wish to post an article to the list, then send it to me at: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk To join or leave this list then send a message to the same address with SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject and I will do the rest. If you have already contacted me stating that you wish to join the list, then a SUBSRIBE message will not be needed. Please e-mail me once you have received your first digest so that I know all is well! 2.) Information about the list This is a moderated list, and will come out in digest form. As most of the work needed to run this list will be done by hand, it will not be as fast as some lists, but I hope to send at least one digest per day. There is very little information sent over the Usenet groups about what happened to the various members of the band after they split up, so I hope to solve that with this list. The more posts I get, the more regular the digest becomes! If you wish to reply to a post in the digest it is helpful if you can change the Subject: field in the header to something relevant. 3.) FAQ I hope to put some answers to FAQs soon but even I don't know them all! This will therefore be an on-going project. A discog and bootlist are also in progress. So it just remains for me to remind you that the more posts I receive, the more often a digest will be sent. Please be patient at first so that any initial problems can be sorted out. I must end with thanks to Andre and Melissa from the Simple Minds list for their help, support and software in getting this list up and (hopefully) running. Thanx, Steve. =================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:43:05 +0000 From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Hello All, Talked with Mike yesterday, he will definitely be here in a couple of weeks (here being NYC), dates for acoustic shows are not set yet, but will be soon. He's really excited about coming to the US. Don't Get Any Better will be added to the US release of Breathe, it's not yet known what song will be omitted if any. I said that I couldn't see what song he would leave off. There's a possibility that some songs might be edited to fit it. That's all for now. Love and Peace, Don =================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:51:14 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > I think the song My Land Your Land is a great song. If the Alarm had > put out more songs like this, the tendency to compare them to this group > or that group wouldnt have arisen. My only complaint is that maybe Mike > should have sung it - but then maybe he sung on the full version (if one > exists!) > That would be a partial solution at best. Perhaps a totaly unrecognizable acid-house or rave remix. Which remeinds me of another single I used to have. I had a Canadian 12" with remixes of a song from Eye Of The Hurricane. I think it was either "Rain In The Summertime" or "Eye Of The Hurricane." The remixes were sort of dance oriented, kind of like the radio remixes of "Dancing In The Dark" and "Born In The USA" by Bruce Springsteen. I think they distracted from the songs strongest points and had a very artificial feel to them. However, the "Blaster Mix" of "Dancing in the Dark" is cool because the production was creative and the producer didn't ruin the origional song. I do think the Alarm remixes were a mistake. Neil =================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:51:30 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest (fwd) > > >How about people writing in saying what is the most collectable item > >that they own? It doesn't necessarily have to be THAT rare, but something > >they are proud to own, show off etc. > > I used to have a Japanese 45 of one of the singles from Strength that had realy cool art. I wish I could remember what the songs were on it. > Hmmmm, I don't suppose you like Dave's solo work either. I LOVE My Land, > Your Land. No, I realy like some of it, particularly "New Age Eden." "My Land Your Land," sounds too much like "This is Your Land (This is My Land)" by Woody Guthrie, which every US youngster learns a bowdlerized version of in elementary school music class. By the way, it appears on a Woody Guthrie record called Hard Traveling. A coincidence? I don't think so. Neil =================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:35:03 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Help!!! Help!!! I mentioned I'm writing this article for Goldmine about The Alarm, and I need to make sure I have some facts straight. If you can can answer any of these questions, please do. 1. When did the Alarm hang out at "Upstairs At Eriks?" was it while they were in Seventeen, or while they were in The Alarm? What year? 2. Was Nigel's father or step father a drummer? 3. Did Dave Sharp and Nigel Twist move to Wales at the same time? 4. When was it decided that Eddie would play bass, instead of guitar? 5. Did The Alarm discover Ian Wilson was screwing them after the Strength tour? 6. When was the first instance of Dave Sharp and Mike Peters fueding? 7. What excatly was the "lighting accident" that almost blinded Mike? 8. Was "Eye Of The Hurricane" recorded live in the studio? That's it, nay help would be appreciated. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:41:10 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >> 21st Century YES!! The demo is much better than the album version. The album version is just THERE, I usually skip it. On a whole, the songs on the singles are better than the songs on Breathe (except for "White Noise"). >> "One Step Closer" with the band all the way through is unnessary Come on Steve, have you heard it??? It is really good. It gives many of the other great Alarm songs a run for their money. I think it really could have been a hit. >>My Land Your Land This is not a bad song, but not good either, it is just there. "Elders and Folklore" is much better. I bet the people who like "My Land Your Land" call it a TRIBUTE to Woodie Guthrie, and the peiople who hate it call it DERIVATIVE. >> Newbie I'll always be one of these...always -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Mar 27 18:33:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rtGnk-0000e9C; Mon, 27 Mar 95 18:33 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:33:02 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:32:55 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Corridors of Power and Spiral Scratch article Books and articles Mike Peters blinded Back Into The System video Mike and SLF Re: Neil's Comments ============================================== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:52:51 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Corridors of Power and Spiral Scratch article Date sent: 24-MAR-1995 12:35:42 These posts appeard in the ill-fated digest tah tnever appeared so I'll re-iterate them. Does anyone know what the last few words are in the song Corridors Of Power? It sounds like "cos we're all going to die", but could someone tell me for definite? Also Steve Fulton has mentioned his article that appeared in Spiral Scratch and aslo in an issue of The Chant fanzine - I actually still have a copy of the magazine - if anyone would like a photocopy of the article please send me a snail address. There was an article of The Alarm in Record Collector magazine (no 88 I think, circa 88/89) - could anyone send a photocopy of it to me? My home addrsss is 5 Clowser Close, Watergardens, Sutton, Surrey SM1 4TP. I have repeatedly written to Record Collector asking for a follow-up article, some of my letters have been printed, some not - all the responses were that one was in the pipeline - this was a couple of years ago! I guess I'll just have to wait until the Goldmine one is published - not sure where I can get a copy of Goldmine though! Does anyone have a date for the US release of Breathe? - I had a quick browse of the Sony WWW/FTP site yesterday and didn't find anything. Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:54:00 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Books and articles Date sent: 24-MAR-1995 13:56:25 Can anyone add to the following list of books and major articles on The Alarm The Alarm - paper back book circa 87/88 Standards - complete written works Record Collector (88?) - article and discography Spiral Scratch - article Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:55:13 +0000 From: "Andrew Brooks" Subject: Mike Peters blinded Steve Fulton writes: > 7. What excatly was the "lighting accident" that almost blinded Mike? If we are thinking of the same incident, then I was there! It was just before Christmas but I can't remember the year. The Alarm had at last come to play a gig in my hometown, Chester, at the Northgate Arena. (My sister's friend had met Eddie on the train a few months earlier and asked them to come!). [Apparently they were supported by the Escape Club but I don't remember]. We were waiting for the band to come out after the show when Mike was rushed past into a car and driven off at high speed. It turned out that his hair gel/spray/whatever had melted due to the heat of the stage lights and run into his eyes. He was temporarily blinded but was fine a few days later. Andrew. P.S. My sister has some photos of them when they were the Toilets, I'll see if I can get hold of them and scan then! =================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:24:58 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Back Into The System video Hello, I just saw the "Back Into The System" video. Damn that Mike Peters!!! :-). He filmed part of it in my hometown (the surfing part) and he didn't even call me to tell me he would be there! :-). Has anyone else seen this? My favorite part is Mike dressed as a woman during the "...my sexuality" line in "Back Into The System". -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:25:38 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Mike and SLF Question: When Mike opened for SLF klasr week, was Dave Sharp still playing guitar for them? That would have been interesting. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:28:07 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: Neil's Comments Which remeinds me of another single I used to have. I had a >Canadian 12" with remixes of a song from Eye Of The Hurricane. I think >it was either "Rain In The Summertime" or "Eye Of The Hurricane." The >remixes were sort of dance oriented, kind of like the radio remixes of >"Dancing In The Dark" and "Born In The USA" by Bruce Springsteen. I >think they distracted from the songs strongest points and had a very >artificial feel to them. However, the "Blaster Mix" of "Dancing in the >Dark" is cool because the production was creative and the producer >No, I realy like some of it, particularly "New Age Eden." "My Land Neil, Does this only have remixes of "Rain In The Summertime?". There is a rare remix of "Presense Of Love", is there a remix of that song on the record? >> New Age eden This is also one of my favorites. If you liked that one, dave has a few new ones (I don't knowe if they will be on his album though) that are like it. If they are on there, his new album shouild be good. Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Mar 28 17:27:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rtcDU-0000e9C; Tue, 28 Mar 95 17:25 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:25:47 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:25:39 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Alarm in Record Collector Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:26:38 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: The Alarm in Record Collector Stephen D mentioned the Alarm in Record Collector. I have a copy of Record Collector here with a list of back issues. It says the Alarm article & discography actually appeared in issue 84. I'm too lousy at math to calculate backwards to find out what year it was. Hopefully someone can find a copy of it. Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:28:52 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" What is the origin of the word "suss" in this case? In _Subculture: The Meaning Of Style_ Dick Hebdige refers to "suss" as hiving somethign to do with police harrassing blacks under the "suspected persons act." Is this related? > > Does this only have remixes of "Rain In The Summertime?". There is a > rare remix of "Presense Of Love", is there a remix of that song on the > record? I think the whole record was 3 or 4 versions of, I think, "Rain In The Summertime." I don't think I've seen very many different versions of "Presence of Love." I think I've owned a manimum of 3, cummulatively. Neil =================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:36:01 +0000 From: Floydage@ix.netcom.com (Floyd Killen) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest You wrote: > >Also Steve Fulton has mentioned his article that appeared in Spiral Scratch >and aslo in an issue of The Chant fanzine - I actually still have a copy >of the magazine - if anyone would like a photocopy of the article please >send me a snail address. > I would like a copy of that article, please send it to: Floyd Killen 553 Gresham Ave. Sunnyvale, California 94086 If you need money for postage let me know, thanks! =================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:36:27 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Andrew wrote... >If we are thinking of the same incident, then I was there! It was just >before Christmas but I can't remember the year. The Alarm had at last >come to play a gig in my hometown, Chester, at the Northgate Arena. (My >sister's friend had met Eddie on the train a few months earlier and >asked them to come!). [Apparently they were supported by the Escape >Club but I don't remember]. We were waiting for the band to come out >after the show when Mike was rushed past into a car and driven off at >high speed. It turned out that his hair gel/spray/whatever had melted >due to the heat of the stage lights and run into his eyes. He was >temporarily blinded but was fine a few days later. Wow, thanks. All the while I thought it was a BLINDING accident, but a hair gel accident is much worse. It is kind of strange actually. Thanks very much for the information. I knew I would find someone who had been there! By the way, I think it WAS the Escape Club that supported them. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:05:31 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Does anyone have a date for the US release of Breathe? - I had a quick >browse of the Sony WWW/FTP site yesterday and didn't find anything. Can you send me the WWW address please. > >Can anyone add to the following list of books and major articles on >The Alarm > >The Alarm - paper back book circa 87/88 >Standards - complete written works >Record Collector (88?) - article and discography >Spiral Scratch - article A recent (Dec or Jan I think) Record Collector had a feature on the post-punk mod bands including a picture of Seventeen. :-) >[Apparently they were supported by the Escape Club but I don't remember]. Yes it was. I saw this band twice supporting the Alarm and enjoyed them both times. (and I bought both albums!) >P.S. My sister has some photos of them when they were the Toilets, >I'll see if I can get hold of them and scan then! Please do. > > When Mike opened for SLF klasr week, was Dave Sharp still >playing guitar for them? That would have been interesting. > No, Dave didn't play this time. I was able to ask Jake Burns myself as he lives in Newcastle and drinks in a pub I sometimes go to. Isn't it funny what you do when you have had a drink? I think it is interesting that Mike turned down the SLF support slot when Dave was playing with them. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Mar 29 12:30:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rtu3v-0000e9C; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:29 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:28:20 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:28:12 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: RC #84, suss and Presence Of Love Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:31:44 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: RC #84, suss and Presence Of Love Date sent: 28-MAR-1995 15:40:43 Yes I stand corrected - it was in fact no 84 - 1986 was the year. I actually found my copy of the magazine (after accusing my girlfriend of throwing it away!) - it's a fairly indepth look at the releases up to Knifedge and includes a discography. I also found a copy of a 1991 Record Collector and a 1991 Raw (no connection) magazine featuring interviews with Dave - in both (I think) he mentions that the Alarm would definitley continue, and that his second album would be out in 1992. I think not! Suss - in this context substitute identify for suss out. I didn't realise there were different versions of Presence Of Love ( if you exclude different playing times)! Whilst were on the subject of Presence.. - were there promo copies of both UK 12" releases? I'm pretty sure there are - does the second one have the same poster as the limited edition public release? Although I dont mind sending photocopies of articles to the States - maybe Steve F. is in a better position to send out copies of his article - if you ask him nicely he might even sign it for you - what do you think Steve? Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:44:47 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >No, Dave didn't play this time. I was able to ask Jake Burns myself as >he >lives in Newcastle and drinks in a pub I sometimes go to. Isn't it >funny >what you do when you have had a drink? I think it is interesting that >Mike >turned down the SLF support slot when Dave was playing with them. I don't. I just re-read "The Chant" fanzine #7. It has a really good interview with Dave. It was done a couple months after Mike left. Dave trys to be kind, but you can tell he is really mad, and at the same time, glad that Mike has left. It is really strange. He seems mad at Mike for leaving, and mad at IRS and maybe Julie Peters, and anyone else that knew about the breakup beforehand. At the same time, he kind of says stuff about the Alarm continuing without Mike, and how he wishes Mike the best. Mike probably doesn't even want to share a stage with Dave. Maybe he is scared that Dave would try to get him to play with them, or more so, afraid he would want to play with Dave. Maybe Mike fights his feelings about leaving The Alarm every day. Look at Mike's recent shows. Acoustic, doing mostly Alarm songs. That seems really weird to me, especially since he has had Jess (The Poets) backing him for so long. Maybe Mike is just being nostalgic. Something else is bothering me too (now that I've go on so long). Steve Varty told me that he has a tape of Mike in a "reunion" of The Toilets from a few years ago. I don't understand how it could have been a reunion if Mike was the only original member there. Maybe he was only being nostalgic for himself, in a selfish way. He wanted to relive his old punk glory. But maybe there is a different reason. Maybe he thought if Nigel was involved, that The Alarm memories would surface again. Look at who is doing the avoiding here. Mike leaves, and doesn't ever play with his Alarm mates again. Sounds like he broke up with a girlfriend, but still has feelings for her, so he never talks to her agin, or sees her..but he does take out pictures once in a awhile to remember old times. Just some thoughts... -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Mar 30 18:08:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0ruLpI-0000eFC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 18:08 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:07:28 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:07:24 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Mike playing Alarm songs Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:22:59 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Mike playing Alarm songs Date sent: 29-MAR-1995 11:00:20 In my opinion Mike plays The Alarm songs because he is proud of them, and he realises that many of his fans are from his Alarm period, and thus from time to time he plays them. Surely you dont expect Mike to never play songs written during his time with The Alarm? I presume the article Steve F was reading in The Chant, was the one where it ends "I WONT LET YOU DOWN!" ? Well in my opinion Dave is the one who let us down. In numerous interviews on radio and in the press he was adamant that The Alarm would continue, but has it? At least Mike has gone forward from Brixton; Dave, Eddie and Twist have virtually disappeared. I always thought that The Alarm were a group of musicians on an equal footing, but in the last few years it has become clear that it was Mike and backing band. Anyway on a different note - is there any more info on when the MPO will make its appearance on the 'net? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:41:46 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Yes I stand corrected - it was in fact no 84 - 1986 was the year. I >actually found my copy of the magazine (after accusing my girlfriend of >throwing it away!) - it's a fairly indepth look at the releases up to >Knifedge and includes a discography. I also found a copy of a 1991 >Record Collector and a 1991 Raw (no connection) magazine featuring >interviews with Dave - in both (I think) he mentions that the Alarm >would definitley continue, and that his second album would be out in >1992. I think not! > 2 requests here; is it worth buying the back copy of issue 84, and can you let me know the number of the 1991 issue please. >I didn't realise there were different versions of Presence Of Love ( if >you exclude different playing times)! > Me neither, 2 versions of the record yes, but not 2 versions of the song. >Although I dont mind sending photocopies of articles to the States - maybe >Steve F. is in a better position to send out copies of his article - if you >ask him nicely he might even sign it for you - what do you think Steve? > I can just see it now: "I've got a signed Mike Peters record." "Yeah, big deal; Steve Fulton signed mine." :-) >I just re-read "The Chant" fanzine #7. It has a really good >interview with Dave. It was done a couple months after Mike left. >Dave trys to be kind, but you can tell he is really mad, and at the >same time, glad that Mike has left. It is really strange. He seems >mad at Mike for leaving, and mad at IRS and maybe Julie Peters, and >anyone else that knew about the breakup beforehand. At the same time, >he kind of says stuff about the Alarm continuing without Mike, and how >he wishes Mike the best. > Mike must have told Jules what he was planning, that's part of married life. >Mike probably doesn't even want to share a stage with Dave. Maybe he >is scared that Dave would try to get him to play with them, or more so, >afraid he would want to play with Dave. Maybe Mike fights his feelings >about leaving The Alarm every day. > He certainly is sad about leaving The Alarm, but at the same time wanted a clean break. He has said that there will be no reunion concerts - "There won't be any comebacks tomorrow". Don't forget the Brixton video - "now you know the meaning of this song." >Look at Mike's recent shows. Acoustic, doing mostly Alarm songs. That >seems really weird to me, especially since he has had Jess (The Poets) >backing him for so long. Maybe Mike is just being nostalgic. > he states that he is proud to have been in The Alarm and to have written those songs. Also when he plays One Step Closer he says that it is his favourite Alarm song. >Something else is bothering me too (now that I've go on so long). Steve >Varty told me that he has a tape of Mike in a "reunion" of The Toilets >from a few years ago. I don't understand how it could have been a >reunion if Mike was the only original member there. Maybe he was only >being nostalgic for himself, in a selfish way. He wanted to relive his >old punk glory. But maybe there is a different reason. Maybe he >thought if Nigel was involved, that The Alarm memories would surface >again. > It was more a bit of fun for The Gathering so that the Friday night and Saturday nights are different. All the old jokes came out: "We are the Toilets, we were flushed with success, but it all went down the pan" >Look at who is doing the avoiding here. Mike leaves, and doesn't ever >play with his Alarm mates again. Sounds like he broke up with a >girlfriend, but still has feelings for her, so he never talks to her >agin, or sees her..but he does take out pictures once in a awhile to >remember old times. > My motto in life is never go back, perhaps his is too. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:26:49 +0000 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest You wrote: > >The Alarm Mailing List >====================== > >Today's Topics: > > RC #84, suss and Presence Of Love > Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > >============================================== > > > > >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:31:44 +0000 >From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk >Subject: RC #84, suss and Presence Of Love > > >Date sent: 28-MAR-1995 15:40:43 > >I didn't realise there were different versions of Presence Of Love ( if >you exclude different playing times)! Straight from Mike Peters. He says that there might have been a Spanish or Italian remix of Presence of Love. >Although I dont mind sending photocopies of articles to the States - >maybe >Steve F. is in a better position to send out copies of his article - if >you >ask him nicely he might even sign it for you - what do you think Steve? Autograph eh, why don't I just send a signed photo of me as a baby as well! Look, if anyone want a copy of the Spiral Scratch article, or the Goldmine article (when it come out), all you have to do is send me your address, and some money for postage, and I'll send them too you. For the Goldmine one, I'll see what the interest is. If it is enough, maybe I'll send a bunch to someone in the UK who can distribute them. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:28:53 +0000 From: Richard Yen Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:44:47 +0000 > From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) > Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > > I don't. I just re-read "The Chant" fanzine #7. It has a really good > interview with Dave. It was done a couple months after Mike left. > Dave trys to be kind, but you can tell he is really mad, and at the > same time, glad that Mike has left. It is really strange. He seems > mad at Mike for leaving, and mad at IRS and maybe Julie Peters, and > anyone else that knew about the breakup beforehand. At the same time, > he kind of says stuff about the Alarm continuing without Mike, and how > he wishes Mike the best. > Hmm. So IRS knew that the Alarm was going to breakup beforehand? I'm sure they could have done a better marketing job of either Standards or Raw given that knowledge. BTW, who was Julie Peters? > [snip] > Look at who is doing the avoiding here. Mike leaves, and doesn't ever > play with his Alarm mates again. Sounds like he broke up with a > girlfriend, but still has feelings for her, so he never talks to her > agin, or sees her..but he does take out pictures once in a awhile to > remember old times. > I like this analogy a lot. I think it goes well with Mike's message to his old bandmates in the "thank you" section of Breathe: "...I still think of you and all the promises, all the dreams we shared..." If we add the line before this from Spirit of 76 ("Sometimes when I can't sleep..."), there's the impression of Mike feeling nostalgic at times, possibly with feelings of regret or guilt. BTW, since I'm mentioning the "thank yous", I thought it was very nice of Dave to thank all of us in Hard Travellin, and I was somewhat disappointed that Mike never did the same. Oh well, just more ramblings from a half-crazed grad student ready to finish his thesis... Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Mar 31 14:32:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0ruewT-0000e9C; Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:32 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:31:58 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:31:55 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: Dave letting us down Record Collector Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:26:19 +0000 From: mallende@Phoenix.kent.edu (mark allender - king of the universe) Subject: Re: Dave letting us down |Well in my opinion Dave is the one who let us |down. In numerous interviews on radio and in the press he was adamant |that |The Alarm would continue, but has it? At least Mike has gone forward |from |Brixton; Dave, Eddie and Twist have virtually disappeared. I always |thought |that The Alarm were a group of musicians on an equal footing, but in |the |last few years it has become clear that it was Mike and backing band. well, i dunno. i did hear from an occasionally reliable source that IRS would not release an Alarm album without Mike. that's just what i heard tho. -- uh... =================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:27:56 +0000 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Record Collector Date sent: 30-MAR-1995 16:16:40 RC #145 has the interview with Dave Sharp in it. Issue #84 is worth getting although they are rather expensive outside Europe - 27 US dollars (you do get 4 issues though!). Maybe I could photocopy them, but there are copyright laws etc. Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:45:49 +0000 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Straight from Mike Peters. He says that there might have been a Spanish >or Italian remix of Presence of Love. > Mike told a story at last years Gathering about how big a hit POL was in Spain. Perhaps that's you remix?!?!? >Hmm. So IRS knew that the Alarm was going to breakup beforehand? I'm >sure they could have done a better marketing job of either Standards or >Raw given that knowledge. BTW, who was Julie Peters? > Julie Peters (aka Jules Jones) is Mikes wife, also daughter of Peter and Dot of MPO fame. Oh, and sister of Andy also of MPO fame; so when you add stage manager Steve Peters you get one big happy family. (No joke intended, it's a really nice set-up.) >BTW, since I'm mentioning the "thank yous", I thought it was very nice of >Dave to thank all of us in Hard Travellin, and I was somewhat disappointed >that Mike never did the same. Oh well, just more ramblings from a >half-crazed grad student ready to finish his thesis... > Yes it's nice, but another quote, "Always remember, I will not look back." - Breathe Certainly here in Newcastle the ex Alarm fans haven't forgiven Mike yet. We gave him his lowest crowd of the whole tour, yet The Alarm always said Newcastle was one of the best cities for the following they got. I have seen them in most UK cities, and we certainly ranked alongside London, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow etc. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:23:01 +0000 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > Brixton; Dave, Eddie and Twist have virtually disappeared. I always thought > that The Alarm were a group of musicians on an equal footing, but in the > last few years it has become clear that it was Mike and backing band. I never thought they were a group of musicians on equal footing. A brief glance at the songwriting credits should clear that up. The band's sound is a different matter. Eddie's skils as a bass player are of primary importance even if he never touched pen to paper. But when it comes to songwriting it is a rare band that functions as a democracy. > >Mike probably doesn't even want to share a stage with Dave. Maybe he > >is scared that Dave would try to get him to play with them, or more so, > >afraid he would want to play with Dave. Maybe Mike fights his feelings > >about leaving The Alarm every day. > > > He certainly is sad about leaving The Alarm, but at the same time wanted a > clean break. He has said that there will be no reunion concerts - "There > won't be any comebacks tomorrow". Don't forget the Brixton video - "now you > know the meaning of this song." My friends, Steve and Al used to have a band. They weren't great and they didn't have very many gigs, but when the band broke up it was really painfull for both of them. Bands are labors of love, not unlike a marriage. Mike HAS to have feelings about the Alarm breaking up. He has to be sad about it even if he doesn't regret it. > >backing him for so long. Maybe Mike is just being nostalgic. I think we can allow him a little nostalgia. Neil ===================================================\ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:24:12 +0000 From: Ediebauer@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Steve: All this info about Alarm and what has happened to them is remarkable/ I knew Alarm had broken up but I was at the understanding they broke up due to financial reasons. This was straight from the mouth of the IRS music co. Nevertheless, I am interested in buying Breath, so I will search out a copy it here in the states and if that proves unsuccessful then I will contact you on how to go about having it imported etc..There was mention of Julie Peters, who is she? I would furtjer like to comment on a issue that someone was makiing about Mike Peters PLaying old Alarm Songs....I think all of us would love to play our old songs, the key to that is that songs live in the people old and new...Mike Peters is Welsh thus the Song that LIves or the the Song of Albion should allow whoever to realize that song is second nature to the Celtic Peoples and yes Welsh are Celts Sorry for taking up so much of your time but this is a valid point! MAY IT ALL GO WELL WITH YOU !!!!!!!! MATTHEW HAYS === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Apr 3 17:21:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rvn0B-0000e9C; Mon, 3 Apr 95 17:21 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:20:33 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:20:29 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Mike and Alarm songs Turnout Eddie Writes!!! IRS/Mike Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest julie peters/jules jones OOOPS sorry Steve, I deleted too many lines!!! ============================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:27:45 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Mike and Alarm songs Mike Playing old Alarm songs: All I'm saying here is this, Mike is the one who said "I'll never look back", yet seems to be the one doing it. Eddie won't even talk about his feelings about The Alarm breaking up, Dave refuses to play Alarm songs in his sets, and Twist is off doing another career. It seems to me that the only person looking back IS Mike. Not that I mind. When I saw The Poets play "Unsafe Building" I thought it was really good. The Gathering video is really good, and Mike playing The Alarm songs is really cool. Really, I just get upset sometimes when I think about how the break-up came about, and I realize that there will never be any more Alarm songs. It has been nearly 4 years now, and I still feel the same that I did when I heard in July 1991. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:28:20 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Turnout >Certainly here in Newcastle the ex Alarm fans haven't forgiven Mike >yet. We >gave him his lowest crowd of the whole tour, yet The Alarm always said >Newcastle was one of the best cities for the following they got. I have >seen them in most UK cities, and we certainly ranked alongside London, >Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow etc. The Alarm played 10 sold-out shows her in Los Angeles in 1991. When Mike Peters came in 1992 (or was it 1993) he played 1 show, and about 75 people showed up. Dave Sharp did not fair better. In Dec. 1991 he played 1 show here and about 100 people showed up. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:29:11 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Eddie Writes!!! >is a different matter. Eddie's skils as a bass player are of primary >importance even if he never touched pen to paper. But when it comes to >songwriting it is a rare band that functions as a democracy. Eddie DID touch a pen to paper!!! Have you ever read the song credits "MacDonald/Peters" on 75% of all Alarm songs? Mike used to talk about the melodies that Eddie would write. He and Eddie DID collaborate. Let's not let Mike Peters go to his head. There were 4 people in The Alarm. Some of the best songs were written by MacDonald/Peters/Sharp (The Stand, Blaze Of Glory). Mike is good, but come on! -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:29:59 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: IRS/Mike >well, i dunno. i did hear from an occasionally reliable source that >IRS would not release an Alarm album without Mike. that's just what i >heard tho. I bet this is true. IRS is pretty flaky. They haven't exactly been buring up the charts lately with new hot acts. They probaly have a money shortage, and releaseing albums by bands that might sell 50,000 copies is not a sound business idea. By the way, does anyone know the amount of Alarm records sold? I've heard that they sold about 250,000 of each album, except for RAW which sold MUCH LESS. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:31:19 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Hmm. So IRS knew that the Alarm was going to breakup beforehand? I'm >sure they could have done a better marketing job of either Standards or >Raw given that knowledge. BTW, who was Julie Peters? Promotion: The promotion for "Standards" was very minimal. Everyone got the same pree page that basically said "The Alarm will have a full album due out in 1991" and that was basically it, pretty weak. They did release "The Road" and "Happy Christmas" as singles ("The Road" was an official U.S. single, with only a cassette single release, "Happy Christmas" was a promo only release. Raw: A cheap 1 page bio if you were lucky. If not, you got a cheap one page bio "faxed" to you. IRS didn't even try. They never even release a U.S. single of "Raw", even though they had a promo. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:32:20 +0100 From: Richard Yen Subject: julie peters/jules jones Thanks for the clarification on her "double" identity. I suspected they were the same person, but wasn't sure. Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:45:44 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: OOOPS sorry Steve, I deleted too many lines!!! Date sent: 3-APR-1995 09:16:27 I think I'll start with the tour programmes bit - does anybody have a definitive list of tour programmes sold at Alarm gigs? On to BBC Radio sessions.. I was flicking through a book over the weekend which documented all sessions recorded at BBC Radio 1 up to 1992/1993 - I was surprised to see that the Alarm had appeared in session so frequently. I was hoping that when the BBC started releasing sessions on CD that The Alarm would have been one of the bands chosen given the number of times they had appeared, but no, no release has yet been made. They first appeared in session prior to the release of Declaration, and appeared again about every 18 months up to the release of Raw. I wish the BBC would release this material because (I think) One Step Closer To Home was played at a session - and this may be the closest this song came to being recorded in a studio. There was also an unknown track listed about the time of the Strength album - I wonder what it was? Maybe the forthcoming b-sides and rarities album will give us some session material. Refering back to the last digest... IRS not wanting to release an Alarm album without Mike seems a bit of a lame excuse to me! If Dave, Eddie and Nigel were serious about continuing they could have looked for a new record label! Also did anyone understand the email about Celts - I think I understood what he was getting at but only after reading it a few times :) Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Apr 4 17:16:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rw9Os-0000eBC; Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:16 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:14:43 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:14:41 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: Turnout / Eddie / Jules. ============================================== Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:15:03 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > I bet this is true. IRS is pretty flaky. They haven't exactly been buring up > the charts lately with new hot acts. They probaly have a money shortage, Check out Over The Rhine. IRS has released 3 albums of them, 2 of which are reisues of independent recordings. Neil =================================================== Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:15:44 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > >is a different matter. Eddie's skils as a bass player are of primary > >importance even if he never touched pen to paper. But when it comes to > >songwriting it is a rare band that functions as a democracy. > > Eddie DID touch a pen to paper!!! Have you ever read the song credits > "MacDonald/Peters" on 75% of all Alarm songs? Mike used to talk about > the melodies that Eddie would write. He and Eddie DID collaborate. > Let's not let Mike Peters go to his head. There were 4 people in The > Alarm. Some of the best songs were written by MacDonald/Peters/Sharp > (The Stand, Blaze Of Glory). Mike is good, but come on! I should have worded that differently. I assumed that everybody knew that I knew that songs credited to MacDonald/Peters were cowriten by Eddie. I said "even if" not "althought." I used Eddie as an example because I didn't want to pick on Twist and Dave, who are responsible for an Alarm song I won't bother name, again. Neil ==================================================== Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:17:22 +0100 From: Just Me! Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest I would like to add a something to the discussion about Eddie writting songs. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Eddie who wrote "The Day The Ravens Left The Tower" While in the hospital. IMHO, this is one of the best 'Poetic' songs ever written by any band! Stephen talked about the upcomming release of a B-side & Rarities album. Does anyone have any more information on this? Michael michae@netcom.com =================================================== Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:42:42 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Turnout / Eddie / Jules. > >The Alarm played 10 sold-out shows her in Los Angeles in 1991. >When Mike Peters came in 1992 (or was it 1993) he played 1 show, and >about 75 people showed up. > It is a much better show, and a better band too, compared to the '92 shows. > >Eddie DID touch a pen to paper!!! Have you ever read the song credits >"MacDonald/Peters" on 75% of all Alarm songs? Mike used to talk about >the melodies that Eddie would write. He and Eddie DID collaborate. >Let's not let Mike Peters go to his head. There were 4 people in The >Alarm. Some of the best songs were written by MacDonald/Peters/Sharp >(The Stand, Blaze Of Glory). Mike is good, but come on! > "Ravens" was almost all Eddies song; written about a fever dream he had when he was ill with flu. > >Thanks for the clarification on her "double" identity. I suspected they >were the same person, but wasn't sure. > I don't think they wanted comparisons with another rock star's wife who was brought in to play keyboards in his new band. :-) I promise you there is NO comparison! Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Apr 5 18:41:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rwXC3-0000eHC; Wed, 5 Apr 95 18:40 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:38:46 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:38:41 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Missing Messages, Tour Books Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Latest MP news. ============================================== Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:06:27 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Missing Messages, Tour Books I don't know why, but a couple of my messages have gotten lost lately... Here is the stuff I wrote about Tour Books: Stephan asked about Tour books, here is a list of the ones I have: -Absolute Tour Book with Flexi disk -Strength Tour Book -Spirit Of '86 Tour Book -Eye Of The Hurricane Tour Book. I do not know what happened before the Absolute Tour, but there were no tour books for Change or Raw in the USA. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:14:05 +0100 From: Ediebauer@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Iwould like to know where I can find recordings of Mike Peters and any other recordingd from references that are made about his back up band or something along those lines. Thanks, Matt =================================================== Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:42:32 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Latest MP news. I spoke to Steve Peters today about what was going on, and the news is that there is no news. No US release date or tour dates have been confirmed. Well, that's it ; nothing to report! Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 6 18:37:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rwtci-0000eHC; Thu, 6 Apr 95 18:37 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:37:29 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:37:26 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Japanese album (Best of) The Alarm Duran f-ing Duran A New South Wales ============================================== Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:20:37 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Japanese album (Best of) The Alarm Date sent: 6-APR-1995 08:30:05 Does anyone own this album? I've got it on my discography as Best Of The Alarm, while Steve Fulton has it as The Alarm. Presuming these are the same album, can someone supply the track listings? Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:22:41 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Duran f-ing Duran Ok, Im pissed. Durna Duran just relesased their new album that is 90% covers. It is called "Thank You". Now, those asses cover 9 songs, and one of them is "White Lines" by Grand Master Flash. Now Mike Peters also covers "The Message" by Grand Master Flash. Does anyone from the US see a problem here. As soon as Mike's album is released, the press will massacre him for "copying" Duran Duran by covering a GMF song. Even though Mike's album actually came out 6 months befor Duran Duran's, the damage will be done. The really makes me mad. I starting to think that Mike won't get a break here... -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:38:13 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: A New South Wales Ok, After Stephen asked about Tour Books, I went back and read my collection. I found something very interesting. On the last page of the big blue/black/white "Electric/Celtic Folklore Tour 87/88" book, I found a an interesting quote: "Onward To A New South Wales" Now this was written in 1987. Could this be evidence of the "A New South Wales" track that MIGHT have been recorded in the Hurricane Sessions? I don't know myself, but I sure would like too. I'm going to have to corner Mike when he tours and ask him. -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Apr 7 18:52:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rxGKg-0000eKC; Fri, 7 Apr 95 18:52 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:52:22 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:52:20 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Japanese Best Of A New South Wales ============================================== Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:17:28 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Japanese Best Of Japanese Best Of: I own this, here is a description: 1. It is from the "Change" era (it has "Change" style writing on it) 2. Named "The Alarm". 3. Promtional only, catalog number JASRAC CDS-34 4. White, with a small "Change" era photo of the band on the front, in color 5. Insert is 4 pages (including the cover) with a Jpanese bio of the band. Tracks: 1. Declaration 2. Marching On 3. 68 Guns 4. The Stand (full version) 5. Absolute Reality 6. Strength 7. Spirit Of '76 8. Rain In The Summertime 9. Rescue Me 10. Sold Me Down The River (single Version) 11. Hardland 12. Change II 13. No Frontiers 14. Black Sun 15. A New South Wales This is a pretty cool CD. I've only ever seen one, which I bought. It cost me $60. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:12:59 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: A New South Wales Date sent: 7-APR-1995 10:57:27 I can see Steve Fulton's ambition is finding out if A New South Wales was released on a Rescue Me 12"! :) What are you going to do Steve, after you find out? Only joking, but it is interesting that the band refer to A New ... some 2-3 years before releasing the song. This adds more weight to the theory that the limited edition 12" Rescue Me (if one exists) features the song. As for the DD song - it seems Mike is fated to never make it big either in the States or over here (UK). In the UK, they release The Chant with the lyric "The gunpowders back in the basement" and then someone attempts to blow up Maggie Thatcher! Set to release Happy Xmas (War Is Over), and even make appearances on daytime radio playing the song live, and the Gulf War starts! Coincidence? Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Apr 10 15:38:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0ryIjk-0000eAC; Mon, 10 Apr 95 15:38 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:37:00 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:36:58 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Mike's fluency in Welsh Plea for more mail ============================================== Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 09:03:55 +0100 From: Richard Yen Subject: Mike's fluency in Welsh I used to study linguistics, so I'm interested in knowing to what degree Mike is fluent in Welsh. I recall seeing an interview he did in Vancouver where he mentioned having to re-learn the language before recording Newid. I noticed also that Gareth Morlais was the one responsible for the translation of lyrics for Newid. Does this mean then that Mike only learns the phonemes involved with each particular song? Or does he have enough grasp of the language to write the songs himself and then improvise when he sings them live? One final question: can someone tell me the correct prononciation of "Newid"? I don't know about all of you, but a transcription in the international phonetic alphabet would be the easiest for me to understand. :-) Richard =================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:28:55 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Plea for more mail Date sent: 10-APR-1995 09:13:17 As this list has around 50 members, it would be nice to see mail from other people apart from myself, Steve Fulton and Steve Varty (apologies to others who have posted infrequently). I'm sure most readers have some views on the postings in the mailing list - so post them! Maybe some of you can help me with the following How many fanzines were issued by the official fanclub in the UK? I know there are three issues of Shelter, but what about before that? Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Apr 11 18:48:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0ryi9W-0000e9C; Tue, 11 Apr 95 18:46 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:46:51 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:46:49 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Breathe - US release Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Bad Luck No Frontiers Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: plea for mail The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:46:20 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >I used to study linguistics, so I'm interested in knowing to what degree >Mike is fluent in Welsh. I recall seeing an interview he did in Vancouver >where he mentioned having to re-learn the language before recording Newid. Mike isn't too good with the Welsh language (better than me though!!!). I will try to find a copy of a fanzine I have with an exact quote from him, if I can, to give the exact answer. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:17:08 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Breathe - US release Date sent: 10-APR-1995 15:07:19 Does anyone know if there is going to be a single released from Breathe in the US to coincide with the album release? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:08:17 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > How many fanzines were issued by the official fanclub in the UK? I know > there are three issues of Shelter, but what about before that? Speaking of fanclubs, I never got any answers to my requests about US fanclubs. I wrote to the addresses in 2 different album's liner notes and never got anything back. Does anybody know anythign about US fanclubs? Neil =================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:49:38 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Bad Luck >As for the DD song - it seems Mike is fated to never make it big either >in the States or over here (UK). In the UK, they release The Chant with >the >lyric "The gunpowders back in the basement" and then someone attempts to >blow up Maggie Thatcher! Set to release Happy Xmas (War Is Over), and >even >make appearances on daytime radio playing the song live, and the Gulf >War starts! Coincidence? Don't forget, The Alarm were poised to hit the Amaerican charts big-time with "Love Don't Come Easy" or "Devolution Working Man Blues" as a follow-up to Sold Me Down The River. "Love Don't Come Easy" was selling really well. IF they had toured the United States again, they might have broken through once and for all, but they never did, and that was that. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:11:15 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: No Frontiers Just curious, Does anyone, who either heard "No Frontiers" live, or has it on a bootleg from 1989/1990, think that The Alarm did it much better live than on the "Change" album? It seems like they cut out all the best stuff from the one on the album. Mike, if you are listening, please put a FULL version of "No Frontiers" on the b-sides disc (as well as "World On Fire", the acoustic version of"A New South Wales" from 1987/1988 etc etc etc...) -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:22:12 +0100 From: Floydage@ix.netcom.com (Floyd Killen) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Floyd here, just don't have a lot of questions. One of the problems that we may have here in the United States is that we don't get a chance to see Mike Peters live on a consistant basis or at all. It sounds as though he is playing a lot in the U.K. and for that reason you are able to keep all of us posted on the happenings of the band. We do like to here about it! As for the trivia, again, "The Alarm" and "Mike Peters" had a major impact in the U.S. but it seems as though finding any kind of info here on him and the band is limited. I'm sure that once he makes his tour here in California and the other states, activity will pick-up and people will want to know more and get involved. I came across a live CD of The Alarm in the Neatherlands, it was at an indie store here in California. Being the tightwade that I am I failed to buy it and later went back to pick it up and it was gone! Does anyone know about this disc? It was fairly expensive ($40.00) for only 8 songs. I have talked to the record store regarding the disc and they have been unable to locate where they got it from?? I also have been corresponding with Steve Fulton, and he was gracious enough to send me a promo disc with a couple of songs that I am not familiar with. One song is called "Corridor of Power" and the other "Working Class Hero" both of the songs are different from what Mike usually writes. Why were these songs not released on any of the albums? The j-card for the disc has an IRS logo. As for the fate of the "Mike Petes/Alarm Digest" goes I hope that we can keep the momentum of it going. This is one reason I turn my computer on everyday! "The future's deserted waiting there for you and me" (Let The River Run It's Course" RAW) Floyd > =================================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: Re: plea for mail Stephen Darlington wrote: > > Date sent: 10-APR-1995 09:13:17 > > As this list has around 50 members, it would be nice to see mail from other > people apart from myself, Steve Fulton and Steve Varty (apologies to others > who have posted infrequently). I'm sure most readers have some views on > the postings in the mailing list - so post them! > I think that most of us would like to see more activity on the newsgroup (with the possible exception of Steve Varty who has to organize the whole thing ;-) ). However, IMHO, I don't think that asking people to contribute to a group just for the sake of doing so is the solution. Finding something meaningful to say is extremely difficult. I'm reminded of my experiences while I was learning French. Friends or people I knew would always ask me to speak in French. But of course, they didn't care what I was saying because they didn't understand a word of French. Yet they expected me to carry on a monologue about something. In that situation, I had no idea what to say, but was just told to talk. I know that the situation here is quite different. We're all interested, at least nominally, in the Alarm. There is a difference though, in our level of knowledge regarding the band. It seems that the people posting already know a great deal, or are people like me who don't mind showing their ignorance. Hopefully, through the example of the latter, quieter members of the group will see that the more knowledgeable members are very receptive to questions and discussion on many topics, and will participate more readily in the group :-). Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:23:51 +0100 From: Bobby Hutchins <74431.247@compuserve.com> Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Just wondering if anyone knew what Mike's spiritual beliefs are. As a Christian, and an Alarm Fan for 12 years, I have seen a definite Christian influence in the lyrics. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the "personal side" of Mike Peters. Bobby Hutchins === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Apr 12 18:55:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rz4lK-0000e9C; Wed, 12 Apr 95 18:55 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 16:55:18 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 16:55:16 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: ============================================== Sorry, no digest today - I haven't had time to read my mail! Should be 2/3 digests tomorrow. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 13 12:37:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rzLLA-0000e9C; Thu, 13 Apr 95 12:37 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:37:28 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:37:26 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: New members and sorry. Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List field in the header to something relevant. ============================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:05:43 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: New members and sorry. The list is growing a bit faster than I can cope with at the moment (holiday times are the busiest times for University technicians!) so I've included the intro file again to help me catch up. Sorry again for the lack of digest yesterday, but I'll send a couple out today to make up. Steve. ps I may post it on a semi regular basis if numbers increase as they have this last couple of weeks. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List WELCOME TO THE ALARM MAILING LIST ================================= I would like to welcome you to The Alarm Mailing List, a list for discussion about the Welsh group The Alarm, and what happened to them after they split up! 1.) Address: If you wish to post an article to the list, then send it to me at: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk To join or leave this list then send a message to the same address with SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject and I will do the rest. If you have already contacted me stating that you wish to join the list, then a SUBSRIBE message will not be needed. Please e-mail me once you have received your first digest so that I know all is well! 2.) Information about the list This is a moderated list, and will come out in digest form. As most of the work needed to run this list will be done by hand, it will not be as fast as some lists, but I hope to send at least one digest per day. There is very little information sent over the Usenet groups about what happened to the various members of the band after they split up, so I hope to solve that with this list. The more posts I get, the more regular the digest becomes! If you wish to reply to a post in the digest it is helpful if you can change the Subject: field in the header to something relevant. 3.) FAQ I hope to put some answers to FAQs soon but even I don't know them all! This will therefore be an on-going project. A discog and bootlist are also in progress. So it just remains for me to remind you that the more posts I receive, the more often a digest will be sent. Please be patient at first so that any initial problems can be sorted out. I must end with thanks to Andre and Melissa from the Simple Minds list for their help, support and software in getting this list up and (hopefully) running. Thanx, Steve. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 13 17:03:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rzPU4-0000e9C; Thu, 13 Apr 95 17:03 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:02:58 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:02:55 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Various Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest U.S. Fanclubs Mike Peters/Internet/News!!! An excellent digest ============================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:26:27 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Various > >Does anyone know if there is going to be a single released from Breathe >in the US to coincide with the album release? > I always thought that the US was more an album based market; if so then I doubt there will be one. Mike said he wasn't bothered about singles yet, and that Breathe is a working album, not a singles album. > >Does anyone, who either heard "No Frontiers" live, or has it on a >bootleg from 1989/1990, think that The Alarm did it much better live >than on the "Change" album? It seems like they cut out all the best >stuff from the one on the album. > I still prefer the solo acoustic version on the CD single. >I think that most of us would like to see more activity on the newsgroup >(with the possible exception of Steve Varty who has to organize the whole >thing ;-) ). However, IMHO, I don't think that asking people to contribute >to a group just for the sake of doing so is the solution. Finding something >meaningful to say is extremely difficult. > I won't do this if I didn't want to, but it is hard work. I wouldn't like too many trivial messages to have to edit into the digest, but I'm sure that wasn't what Stephen meant with his original message. It is much better now that when there was one digest a week at most, and usually with just one or two messages. The longer standing members will remember my pleading for mail at times. :-) > >Just wondering if anyone knew what Mike's spiritual beliefs are. As a >Christian, >and an Alarm Fan for 12 years, I have seen a definite Christian influence >in the >lyrics. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the "personal side" of >Mike Peters. I have never spoken to Mike about this but the best indication to his beliefs is the lyrics on Breathe. These are very committed to the faith (and certainly not in a U2 sort of way!!!) Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:39:51 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest As well as never seeing The Alarm live, I've also never seen an Alarm video. *the audience gasps* I've never seen a tape in a store and wasn't ever watching MTV when they were getting play there (they did, didn't they?). What's in print? What's out of print that somebody could make me a VHS of? Neil =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:40:24 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > Just wondering if anyone knew what Mike's spiritual beliefs are. As a >Christian, > and an Alarm Fan for 12 years, I have seen a definite Christian influence >in the > lyrics. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the "personal side" of > Mike Peters. I "got saved" shortly after discovering The Alarm so I didn't recognize the Biblical references right away. Discovering them over time was a blast! That's probably part of why the band has such a special place in my heart. In the Christian rock scene here in the U.S. The Alarm has a sort of honorary membership. It is one of the "secular" bands that is considered acceptably Christian by lots of the CCM (contemporary Christian music) crowd. This is another reason they got compared to U2. Sometime last year somebody posted an interview with Mike on rec.music.christian where he talked about his religious conversion. I can't remember the source. Neil =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:07:05 +0100 From: Ediebauer@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest I have a couple simple questions someone out there can answer. 1.) Is Mike Peters Album Breathe his debut? a.) Will it be sold in America? b.) Is he going to tour with this album? c.) If so does anyone have the tour dates? d.) What label is the album under? 2.) Is Mike a Christian?...not that I wouldn't like his music if he weren't. 3.) Why in the world doesn't U2 help put the Alarm back together and have Alarm open for them and we can all relive the past....I know it sounds silly...but really do you realise the excitement that would generate in the music world...no really...Alarm and U2 sound so different these days there wouldn't be any comparisons made...rather we might as people see the comradery(if you will) that music can bring. BTW next year U2 will have officially been together for 20 years! 4.) What year did Alarm Form as a band? =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:07:40 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: U.S. Fanclubs U.S. Fanclubs: I believe none of these exist anymore. After Ian Wilson stopped being the manager for The Alarm, the fan club stuff all changed. The U.S. version didn't respond very fast as I recall. Anyway, this is all old news because there are no fan clubs. Now, if you were thinking about starting your own fan club( hint)...I'm sure you could find some people to,help. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:08:08 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Mike Peters/Internet/News!!! News: >From the MPO phone message: 1. Someone will answer the phone and questions there this thursday from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm. Unoffical news : 1. Mike Peters WILL NOT be touring the USA with Del Amitri. 2. Mike Peters may be in the USA in 2 weeks to promote Breathe. 3. No official release date for "Breathe" yet in the USA. 4. USA version of Breathe WILL have different tracks. For instance, Mike may put a version of "It Just Don't Get Any Better" recorded in 1992, without the new Poets (Jess). 5. The MPO will have a WWW Site with a Web page sometime soon. 6. (sniff) Jules never contacted me again, and I believe the USA MPO remote office will be somewhere in New York (damn!!), and I won't get to help. 7. When poets tour the USA, all the merchandise will be available, so you don't have to mail order for it. That's it. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:10:51 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: An excellent digest Date sent: 12-APR-1995 07:33:55 It was good to see yesterday's digest having more postings for people other than myself and SF. I agree that writing for writing's sake (if that makes sense) wouldn't benefit anybody, but to have more reader interaction is what the list must strive for, for without postings there is no list. Now I am sure SF will agree that thinking of things to write about is difficult on your own, but more people have more ideas, and that's what I would like to see. If people don't know as much as othe people then here's an ideal opportunity to increase that knowledge - post some questions, ideas for discussion on this list. Just listened to the MPO answer-phone - initially I thought I'd phoned one of the 0891 sex-lines! To find out what I mean give them a ring. Can anyone tell me what went on a the last Gathering? Unfortunately my personal situation virtually prohibits me from going (more this year than before), but every time it is announced I always um and ah about going. Anyway the MPO answer-phone says that there will be a Gathering IV video in the near future - can anyone tell me what is on it? (Hopefully it will be Mike + The Poets this time!) Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 13 17:05:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rzPWM-0000e9C; Thu, 13 Apr 95 17:05 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:05:20 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:05:18 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Mike's Beliefs (and other assorted expounding) Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Out-takes Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... ============================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:32:51 +0100 From: Floydage@ix.netcom.com (Floyd Killen) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest You wrote: > >Speaking of fanclubs, I never got any answers to my requests about US >fanclubs. I wrote to the addresses in 2 different album's liner notes >and never got anything back. Does anybody know anythign about US fanclubs? > > Neil >Some of my responses have been post-marked from Boston but I think that the only fan club for Mike Peters is in the UK. Don't feel bad, I wrote a lot of letters to the fan club asking for info on upcoming tour dates and never got a response. I did however catch Mike and the band on a good day last month and Mike himself wrote me back. Try this address: Michael Peters Organisation P.O. Box 709 Prestatyn Clwyd LL19 9YR Wales UK Floyd =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:33:44 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Mike's Beliefs (and other assorted expounding) >Just wondering if anyone knew what Mike's spiritual beliefs are. As a >Christian, >and an Alarm Fan for 12 years, I have seen a definite Christian >influence in the >lyrics. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the "personal >side" of >Mike Peters. > >Bobby Hutchins Bobby, the story of Mike and Christianity goes something like this: (Steve Varty, if you want to edit this or add comments, please do!) Before 1981 or 1982, all the members of The Alarm were not outrightly religious at all. In 1983, Mike came to America and saw how we "wear religion" on our sleeves, or at least, that religion, especially T.V. Christianity is all over the place (and doesn't necessarily give Christians a good name). Apparently, it is much different in the UK. >From what Mike saw, he got a very skewed impression of what Christianity and religion is about in America. He went home to Wales and wrote the song "Shout To The Devil" which was an ANTI-Christian song when it was first written. I have a live version of the song from 1983, and it has lyrics about "money loving televangelists" etc. etc. Well, Mike decided to research Christinity, and found out that it was not all that bad, in fact he was so impressed, he converted. I'm not sure if this had anything to do with Bono, or U2, but there is a chance that it did. Anyway, he re-wrote "Shout To The Devil" to be a sympathetic song. He went back to tell the rest of the band that he had been "saved" and they were not very impressed. Mike has since, claimed to be a Christian, while the rest of The Alarm have stated that they have their own personal beliefs. Dave Sharp keeps saying over and over that he believes in God, but leaves it at that. Dave's lyrics have gotten more "religious" after The Alarm broke up, while Mike's have gotten less. Mike also played the Greenbelt Festival many times, which is a British Christian festival. We could get into long discussions about the meaning of songs like "Strength" and "Presence Of Love", but I don't think that would be productive, and it really wouldn't answer your question. The Alarm (the whole band) showed up in 1990 at the festival too, but no one really knows what that meant. Mike Peters new songs show "the whole of his personality" (or something like that). They show his "both sides". I guess this means some are "believing" songs, some are "doubting" songs. Anyway, you can read whatever you want into The Alarm's lyrics, in fact many times, the band has stated that their lyrics and were open for interpretation (especially in the early years). I would say that there is a definate Christian influence on The Alarm and Mike Peters songs, but they are not Christian rock songs, and were not a Christian rock band. That is not to say the The Alarm did not have a HUGE influence on the Christian Rock scene in the United States. There was a really good band named "The Stand", and a record label named "Alarma". A guy named "Rick Elias" covered "Rescue Me" really well. Many more bands I used to see showed Alarm influence or covered Alarm songs. Strangely, U2 didn't seem to have as much of an influence as The Alarm (at least on the musicians, but U2 has a much larger influnce on the fans). Anyway, I hope I didn't bore anyone with this, and I hope it helps you Bobby. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:00:16 +0100 From: andremar@globalx.net Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest RE: Alarm - Christian Rock The first and only time I heard "Blaze of Glory" on any radio station in Canada was August 1985 when the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation did a feature on what they catalogued as Christian Rock in pop music. They featured mostly U2, Big Country and the one Alarm song. Andr=E9 =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 10:22:28 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Out-takes Date sent: 13-APR-1995 09:36:11 I was flicking through an old issue of The Cnaht fanzine last night, and read an interview with Mike concerning the Raw album. He was mentioning the disappointment at the release of the Raw single, and said something along these lines "we gave them alot of unused meterial for the single, out-takes and recordings that never made it on to the Change album". There certianly must be quite abit of unreleased material (most probably demo versions) that IRS have still got. Does anyone have any IRS insiders that could pressure IRS in to releasing them? Maybe for a bit of interest Steve F could reveal where he heard about World On Fire? Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:39:43 +0100 From: TheCompany@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Sorry...I guess I'm one of those guilty lurkers...anyhow, is there a B-side compilation available (legal or bootleg)? I think I know the answer but it doesn't hurt to ask. TheCompany@aol.com ---editor of SFK - the 'Net Hard Rock Newsletter === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 13 18:57:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rzRGv-0000e9C; Thu, 13 Apr 95 18:57 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:57:30 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:57:28 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: I'm out of here ============================================== Subject: I'm out of here I will be away from work until Wednesday. Post as many messages as you want and I will send out a digest or two when I get back. I wish you all a happy easter, and look forward to the sound of loads of messages hitting my mail box next week. Steve. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Apr 19 17:57:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s1bCK-0000eDC; Wed, 19 Apr 95 17:57 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:57:42 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:57:38 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: World On Fire Christian Rock Scene Videos Re: Simple Questions ============================================== Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:21:56 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: World On Fire >Maybe for a bit of interest Steve F could reveal where he heard about >World On Fire? I don't remember!!! I've been searching through all of my old interviews and tapes to find the refernce, but I can't. It was from an interview in 1987. Mike is talking about how "uncommercial" Eye of the Hurricane" was. He says something like "we had this song called World On Fire, (or Set The World On Fire) that everyone said would be a hit single, so we scapped it" or something like that. -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Christian Rock Scene >In the Christian rock scene here in the U.S. The Alarm has a sort of >honorary membership. It is one of the "secular" bands that is >considered >acceptably Christian by lots of the CCM (contemporary Christian music) >crowd. This is another reason they got compared to U2. Isn't it tru that the Cristian Rock Scene has all but given up on U2, but they still hold on to The Alarm??? -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:24:01 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Videos >As well as never seeing The Alarm live, I've also never seen an Alarm >video. *the audience gasps* I've never seen a tape in a store and >wasn't ever watching MTV when they were getting play there (they did, >didn't they?). > >What's in print? What's out of print that somebody could make me a VHS >of? In the USA, you might still be able to find the following videos. They are out of print, but copies are still floating around: -Beast Of IRS: Has The Alarm doing "The Stand" (video) -Spirit of '86: The Alarm, Live April 12th, 1986 at UCLA -Standards: 14 video clips by The Alarm -The Best of The Cutting Edge, vol. 1.: Short interview with The Alarm -"Blaze Of Glory": The Alarm's final concert. By the way, there are few videos missing from all these tapes: 1. Video clip for "Raw" 2. "Rescue Me" video from "Eletric Folklore Live" -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:25:37 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: Simple Questions >I have a couple simple questions someone out there can answer. You came to the right place!! >1.) Is Mike Peters Album Breathe his debut? It is his debut ALBUM. He had 4 CD singles come out about 1 year ago. 1. Back Into The System/A New Chapter/21st Century/Back Into The System(long) 2. The same as above, except in Welsh, with a demo of 21st Century. 3. It Just Don't Get Any Better Than This/Devil's World/White Noise 4. Same as above, but LIMITED EDITION Welsh version. >a.) Will it be sold in America? Yes, with different tracks, and no one knows when. >b.) Is he going to tour with this album? Yes. Again, no one knows when. >c.) If so does anyone have the tour dates? See above. >d.) What label is the album under? CRAI. >2.) Is Mike a Christian?...not that I wouldn't like his music if he weren't. Yes. >3.) Why in the world doesn't U2 help put the Alarm back together and have >Alarm open for them and we can all relive the past....I know it sounds >silly...but really do you realise the excitement that would generate in >the >music world...no really...Alarm and U2 sound so different these days >there >wouldn't be any comparisons made...rather we might as people see the >comradery(if you will) that music can bring. BTW next year U2 will have >officially been together for 20 years! I think this is a great idea!!! I thought about it all weekend, and it would be really cool...but it will probably never happen. I mean, with most of guys who were in The Alarm not wanting to speak about, I don't see how their Albatross (U2) could persude them to do anything, much less get back together. I still think it is a great idea though. >4.) What year did Alarm Form as a band? 1976: The Toilets 1979: Seventeen 1981 The Alarm > === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 20 18:12:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s1xtx-0000eDC; Thu, 20 Apr 95 18:12 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 16:12:14 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 16:12:11 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Christian Rock and Videos No messages!!! Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:13:33 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Christian Rock and Videos > >Isn't it tru that the Cristian Rock Scene has all but given up on U2, >but they still hold on to The Alarm??? > Mike will make a big impact if he plays Greenbelt again next year. Jules told my wife that they'll be playing! > >1. Video clip for "Raw" >2. "Rescue Me" video from "Eletric Folklore Live" > Did they make a video for Raw? Given the interest shown by both band and record company it wouldn't be a shock if the didn't bother. Rescue Me is on the Change video EP. It is the only reason to buy it if you have Spirit of 86 and Standards, as all the other tracks feature on them. > >1976: The Toilets >1979: Seventeen >1981 The Alarm Weren't they together as the Alarm in 1980? Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ==================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:18:51 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: No messages!!! I was excited to get the list today, only to find that all the messages were from me!!!! That was really disappointing to say the least. That's all I can say though, I have a sick feeling in my stomache. I've been watching them carry dead bodies out of Oklahoma City all day...it is really sad. I wonder if some American band will write a song like "Across The Border" or "The Chant" about bombings, or maybe something like "Sunday Bloody Sunday" for all the kids that were killed. Probably not though... (still feeling really sick and upset) -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:19:30 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > >In the Christian rock scene here in the U.S. The Alarm has a sort of > >honorary membership. It is one of the "secular" bands that is > >considered > >acceptably Christian by lots of the CCM (contemporary Christian music) > >crowd. This is another reason they got compared to U2. > > Isn't it tru that the Cristian Rock Scene has all but given up on U2, > but they still hold on to The Alarm??? It depends on who you ask. As of a couple of years ago, I spoke with a guy who still held on to U2, but I have to admit, the rest of us he was talking to thought he was kind of nuts. Most folks either decided to like them for what they were (a very talented band), not what they wanted them to be (outspoken evangelical Christians), or gave up on them after "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." The fact that The Alarm is no longer a going concern has to be taken into account. Many CCM people are into what's up to the minute and happening now, just like pop radio fans. The rest of us vary a great deal. If you read rec.music.christian on usenet, which I don't, I think you will find that The Alarm is not forgotten. I don't think I'll ever forget them. In fact, I know I won't. Neil === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Apr 21 17:45:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s2JxX-0000eDC; Fri, 21 Apr 95 17:45 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:44:46 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:44:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Collectable? Live Question The Alarm WWW Page report Running and Christianity Alarm WEB Page ============================================== Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 16:49:36 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Collectable? Date sent: 20-APR-1995 16:23:48 Has anyone noticed that the amount of Alarm material for sale at Record Fairs has changed over the last couple of years? At least here in the UK at least? You can still get all the standard 7 and 12 inches, and albums, but that is about it. It is the same at the secondhand record shops - Beanos (the largest second hand record shop in the UK) has all the standard 7 and 12 inches, and albums - but thats about it! No foreign or promo releases - in fact nothing most Alarm fans haven't already got. Maybe its because everybody is holding on to there Alarm stuff, I dont know, but at least it gives Steve F. something to read that he didn't write. By the way, if anybody knows where I can get copies of The Chant maxi-single and any of the 3" CDs I be very grateful. Later Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:03:06 +0100 From: Juergen Gizzi Subject: Live Question Did the Alarm ever play "Rose beyond the wall" at a live concert. What about other b-sides like "Caroline Isenberg" or "Time to Believe" Juergen ==================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:08:09 +0100 From: wiz@nova.hut.fi (Mikko =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=94nninen?= ) Subject: The Alarm WWW Page report It's been some time since I wrote to the list about my WWW page, so I went through the logs again and extracted some statistics for your enjoyment. (???) =46or those of the readers who don't know about it, I've put up a WWW page for the Alarm, it's been up-and-running since December 1994. The URL is "http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html". (Steve, could you add a suitably modified version of this paragraph to the mailing list intro file, please??) Recently, Steve Fulton has contributed some transcribed interviews (many thanks to him for that!) so there is even something new for those who have visited before... ***** Here are the statistics for the Alarm WWW page since the beginning of this year until April 20th (20:00 local time, that's 17:00 GMT). Local accesses have been removed from the statistics. Number of accesses: 514 (over a hundred per month!!) Number of different sites: 380 Number of accesses/sites per domain (only domains with over 10 accesses listed): .com 119 / 86 .edu 107 / 86 .uk 48 / 22 .net 43 / 38 .ca 26 / 11 .se 23 / 17 .ph 10 / 3 (and 91 / 74 where only the IP-number was listed) -- Mikko H=94nninen, aka. Wizard // Mets=94hovi Radio Research Station // Stay = Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Count= ry http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/D&D)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*ElfQuest*= TP IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ==================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:15:48 +0100 From: JimRHansen@aol.com Subject: Running and Christianity Hi I am new to this newsgroup but a long time fan of the Alarm. Here are two questions; I am marathon runner (just ran Boston on Monday) and I thought I heard years ago maybe on MTV that Mike Peters was running the NYC Marathon. Did I hear something wrong? Is he a runner? Been wondering for years. Also wondering about the Alarm's Christianity. The posts I have read seem to state emphatically that they are Christians. Where and when has this been stated by the band? It seems that some of their music deals with a viewpoint of good/evil and things of a spiritual nature. But to me things seem somewhat vague. I remember getting their first album when it came out and raving about "The Stand" thinking it had to do with the Maker. Until I realized it had more to do with Steven King. I also remember reading an interview with them in a Christian magazine at the same time and they were very vague about their spiritual beliefs. I got hooked on their music early and have bought their albums/CD's as they came out but haven't followed them in the press. So if this has been discussed before, sorry, but enlighten an older and regular fan. Thanks. =================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:17:51 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm WEB Page By the way, I've transcribed a couple Radio interview with The Alarm that I have. Mikko Hanninen has put them up on his Alarm WEB site. Take a look at them. If you guys like them, I'll do some more. Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 2 23:36:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s3UA9-0000eFC; Mon, 24 Apr 95 22:51 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:24:07 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:14:42 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Most of yesterdays digest!!! :-) Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest soc.culture.welsh The Stand WWW Stop Press ============================================== Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:10:23 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Most of yesterdays digest!!! :-) >From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk >Has anyone noticed that the amount of Alarm material for sale at Record >Fairs has changed over the last couple of years? At least here in the >UK at least? > I have noticed that, but Record Collector still has the odd "goodie" >By the way, if anybody knows where I can get copies of > The Chant maxi-single > and any of the 3" CDs >I be very grateful. > I don't know, perhaps Adrians Records. I am still looking for the 68 Guns CD3 >From: wiz@nova.hut.fi (Mikko =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=94nninen?= ) >The URL is "http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html". > Well worth a look. >From: JimRHansen@aol.com >questions; I am marathon runner (just ran Boston on Monday) and I thought I >heard years ago maybe on MTV that Mike Peters was running the NYC Marathon. >Did I hear something wrong? Is he a runner? > Yes, Mike is a keen runner, and has ran more than 1 Marathon. >From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) >By the way, I've transcribed a couple Radio interview with The Alarm >that I have. Mikko Hanninen has put them up on his Alarm WEB site. >Take a look at them. If you guys like them, I'll do some more. > Thanks Steve, they are good, but the Boston DJ was a complete wanker!!! Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:49:12 +0100 From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > You can still get all the standard 7 and 12 inches, and albums, but that > is about it. It is the same at the secondhand record shops - Beanos (the > largest second hand record shop in the UK) has all the standard 7 and > 12 inches, and albums - but thats about it! No foreign or promo releases > - in fact nothing most Alarm fans haven't already got. > > Maybe its because everybody is holding on to there Alarm stuff, I dont > know, but at least it gives Steve F. something to read that he didn't > write. > > By the way, if anybody knows where I can get copies of > The Chant maxi-single > and any of the 3" CDs Sounds like I sold out too early. Half my colleciton was promo's and I had two 3" CD's. I sold to Mike Delaney of Rad Rocker's Emporium/ Itinerant Icoonoclast, if anybody wants to try and buy from him. Neil =================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:25:23 +0100 From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Re: NYC Marathon Mike did indeed run the NY Marathon a few years back. I know because I asked him about it in the interview I did with him. He didn't really enjoy it. I'll listen to the interview again and post his exact time if anyone's interested. Love and Peace, Don By the way, the acoustic version of Breathe is brilliant! =================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:27:57 +0100 From: Just Me! Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Hello, I remember reading an article with Mike Peters from 85 or so and he was talking about the Unsafe Building/Murder in Manchester single. At the time he said that He didn't want to re-release it because that wouldn't be fair to the original fans who have it and that it might decreases it's value. What changed his mind? also is the original version of Unsafe Building available on CD. I don't have the CD single that has Murder In Manchester so if anyone knows how to get one, please can you let me in. Thanks Michael =================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:29:17 +0100 From: Richard Yen Subject: soc.culture.welsh My newsfeeder just got the Usenet group soc.culture.welsh. I was wondering if anyone's followed this group at all or is it really new? It seems like a possible forum for discussing the Alarm's/Mike's influence in Wales. Also, people there might be interested in joining the mailing list. Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres | | Richard_Yen@UQTR.UQuebec.ca | Centre d'etudes quebecoises | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | M.A. (199?) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Help me, help me, I'm trapped in a prison without prison bars | | - The Alarm | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:32:09 +0100 From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: The Stand Jim >. I remember getting their first album when it came out and raving >about >"The Stand" thinking it had to do with the Maker. Until I realized it >had >more to do with Steven King. > I think you are bit mistaken. I think "The Maker" does have to do with The Maker If you've ever read the book _The Stand_, you will see just how powerful and spiritual it is, even though it is not Christian literature, at least not overtly. -Steve Fulton =================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:03:22 +0100 From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: WWW Date sent: 24-APR-1995 09:42:07 Wow - a Web page. This has spurred me to find out how to connect to the Web via my VAX connection. Can only get a text-only connection through Lynx - and all the files I download (the GIF pictures) appear corrupted - could someone send me them via enail? TIA Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Stop Press The following are unconfirmed but from a good source: During a recent trip to the US to sort out release dates/tour dates etc. Mike met up with Dave, and they seem to have put their differences behind them and are friends again. IRS have refused to release the new Album without some sort of promotion by THE BAND (ie The Alarm) Dave's album is set for release in November. There will be UK dates, and I assume US dates too. Mike intends to release the Abbey Road sessions on CD. MHO: I hope Abbey Road is released in time for the US tour since it will give us Brits something to do while Mike is out of the country. It is more likely that it will be aimed with the video of The Gathering 3 to coincide with The Gathering 4. If there has to be some sort of promotion for the album then I hope it is true that Mike and Dave are friends again. I still doubt if Eddie would be interested, but who knows. Even if he and Twist wouldn't join in, imagine an acoustic tour by Mike and Dave similar to Mike's recent HMV shop tour. My only worry is that all this activity would take place in the next few months when Mike is due to be in the States, where Dave just happens to live. Still Mike should be back home by November when Dave comes over here. OK, so I'm just ranting, but I quite like the sound of this for the end of 1995: Oct MP - homeconig tour. Nov. DS - album and tour. Dec. Alarm album plus DS and MP playing a few songs; finishing off with DS appearing with Mike on the Friday night at The Gathering. Heaven, I'm in heaven....... Steve. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 2 23:36:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s3muG-0000eLC; Tue, 25 Apr 95 18:52 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:17:59 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:17:33 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Steve's Big News Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Wanker Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest The OFFICIAL Mike Peters & Alarm WWW site. 3" CD-singles Abbey Road sessions ============================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Steve's Big News >The following are unconfirmed but from a good source: Well Steve, you do seem to have some really good sources... >During a recent trip to the US to sort out release dates/tour dates >etc. Mike met up with Dave, and they seem to have put their differences >behind them and are friends again. I had a strange feeling this would happen. I'm telling you, something is eating at Mike Peters. I think it is almost like he's done the solo thing, and maybe it isn't as fulfilling as he had hoped... maybe he is going to "look back" a little. >IRS have refused to release the new Album without some sort of >promotion by THE BAND (ie The Alarm) They probably saw the money made by the IRS release of the GO Go's rarities album last year. They toured to sell-out shows, and sold A LOT of CD's. All catalog sales, so you wouldn't find the album in the HITS charts, but it did sell really well. By the way, if The Alarm raraites CD is anything like the Go Go's one, we're in for a big treat. It was 2 discs, and had something like 40 songs. >Dave's album is set for release in November. There will be UK dates, >and I assume US dates too. Why so long I wonder? >Mike intends to release the Abbey Road sessions on CD. What is this? Are these the sessions he did beforwe Jess was his backing band? >If there has to be some sort of promotion for the album then I hope it >is true that Mike and Dave are friends again. I still doubt if Eddie >would be interested, but who knows. Even if he and Twist wouldn't join Maybe Eddie will join in though, but I can see where he would say "That bastard Mike now wants to get The Alarm BACK together, well screw him"...but maybe not. >>Heaven, I'm in heaven....... If this is all true, then we all have some great stuff to look forward to in 1995!!! -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Michael asked: 1. Is the original version of Unsafe Building available on CD? Yes. On the "Unsafe Building 1990" CD single. -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Wanker Steve Varty wrote >Thanks Steve, they are good, but the Boston DJ was a complete wanker!!! Oh my God, yes he was. I couldn't belive how much that guy liked to talk. There should be anothet interview there soon. I just finished it. It is with Dave Sharp from 1990. It is really good. Dave basically gets to rattle on and on!! -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: Ediebauer@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Vart..now you got us excited...I'm freakin crying ...I'm so excited...So let me ask questions for clarity purposes! 1.) You mentioned an Alarm Album that I.R.S. Would release...What Are you talking about they have been broken up for years? 2.) You mentioned that the boys have put the past behinf them...Do you know what this could mean? 3.) Call Everyone of your Connections that know U2 And see what you can do to get them to put Alarm on their next tour bill...We need to rally around the members of U2 and Alarm in any type of support we can render... Our voice alone would speak somewhat louder than say nooens at all. I realize Edge might laugh at such a assertion or idea, but we need to do what we can as fans and friends (if you will) to bring about the reformation of Alarm and complete success. ^Think of it this way if a Piece of Crap band like Guns and Roses can make it, then the incredible talent of the Alarm can walk all over the success of the band aformentioned. I LOVE THE ALARM THEY ARE THE BEST BAND EVER...along with U2! I am so STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BYE! =================================================== From: 91760984 <91760984@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: The OFFICIAL Mike Peters & Alarm WWW site. I have some exiting news regarding Mike's entry to cyberspace. A WWW site containing official tour dates, album and single news, merchandise, official rumours, sound bites, pictures and so on will be going live within the next month. I will announce the URL on this mailing list as soon as it is known, hopefully in a few weeks. Mike will be contributing to the site directly, and the MPO will be using it as the official outlet of new information. Mike is also keen to use the Web site for Alarm stuff, including the promotion of Dave Sharp material (I understand they are still good friends). With regards to both this mailing list and the existing Alarm home page, I think there is plenty of room for them all, and hope they will all continue in the future. In fact the mailing list provides fans with a healthy amount of current views. Lets keep it up. See you in Cyberspace, Gazza. =================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: 3" CD-singles Date sent: 24-APR-1995 16:46:48 Just how many 3" CD-singles are there? Apart from the The Stand and 68 Guns ones, I know of only one other. There is a German 3" for Sold Me with the same tracks as the UK 5". Are there any others? Stephen D P.S. I think there might have been a Japanese 3" CD release of Happy Xmas. "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Abbey Road sessions Date sent: 24-APR-1995 16:43:58 What are the Abbey Road sessions? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Apr 27 17:15:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s4ULY-0000eNC; Thu, 27 Apr 95 17:15 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:15:07 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:15:04 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: U2 and The Alarm Another "Live" Question alarm router new to the list Steve Fulton's Sources A couple of things. ============================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: U2 and The Alarm >3.) Call Everyone of your Connections that know U2 And see what you can >do to >get them to put Alarm on their next tour bill...We need to rally around >the >members of U2 and Alarm in any type of support we can render... Our >voice I think this would be really cool. It would fit right in with the 80's revival thing that is starting to take off here in the USA. I just don't think it can happen. I mean, The Alarm were compared with U2 so often, it became debilitating. No matter what they did, here in Los Angeles they were always called "U3" or "a poor man's U2". Even Eddie MacDonald said that Bono had told him, "without songs like The Stand, they could ave never written Sunday Bloody Sunday". Both bands influenced each other, but The Alarm got ripped apart for it, and U2 got praised for it. I mean, check out the folk-/harmonica stuff on "Joshua Tree", it is remiscnet of Alarm stuff from years before, but no one had the guts to say it. What I'm trying to say is, The Alarm probably will not want to be under the wing of U2 once more. >I LOVE THE ALARM THEY ARE THE BEST BAND EVER...along with U2! >I am so STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BYE! I certainly hope the ULTIMATE happens, and who knows, it just might. -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: Juergen Gizzi Subject: Another "Live" Question Has anybody a copy of the Alarm show in Roma, Feb 1st 1986? I'm searching for a complete!!! version of the show.(There are 40 minutes from Italian radio available) Juergen =================================================== From: Shaun@sugar.demon.co.uk (shaun bellingham) Subject: alarm router I'm passing this on for Gary.. I've recently discovered this Mailing list courtesy of a backdated 21st Century MPO fanzine. I've been looking in on it for the last few weeks by getting a friend to subscribe, as I don't have access. It's great! It's amazing the buzz you get just reading these snippets of information! It goes some way to sustaining the "fix" that they gave us.... it keeps them at the forefront of our minds and given the shared strength of feeling, you can almost convince yourself that the possibility of them re-forming something tangible! Anyway, to the point.......I noted a question that was raised about A NEW SOUTH WALES, where you were wondering whether or not the song was conceived/around to be recorded during the time of the Hurricane Sessions, & thought I might be able to give you a little more info.... I have a 40 minute 1989 BBC Wales documentary on the Alarm in which Mike talks at length about the song, and he states that they had written A NEW SOUTH WALES to include on the Eye of The Hurricane LP, but it didn't seem to "fit" with the rest of the songs. He went on to say that they experimented with it a bit, but it dawned on them that the song had (an unpronouncable Welsh word that I would'nt attempt to spell, but that I took to be a word that represents) a heart-felt call for the Welsh homeland. Accepting this, they elected to take it back to Wales to record it, and by adding the Male Voice Choir, it helped to strengthen the emotion intended in the song. This is the gist of the interview as I'm sitting in the office working from memory. If it's important though, I can watch it again and give you a transcription, else maybe send you a copy if you don't have it? Unfortunately I can't definately state whether or not the original version was captured in the studio, but it does confirm your suspicion that the quote "Onward to a New South Wales" was no coincidence. Incidentally, I am an overboard Alarm Collector, but still have some gaps that I would like to fill; in respect of some Records, Video clips, Posters, Bootleg's, T-Shirts and Radio Sessions/Interviews. Does this Mailing list ever double up as a want's/swaps/sales list? It would be good if we could all help each-other by swapping video clips for example....I suspect we can all relate to the fact that there is nothing better than the feeling you get when you are anticipating the delivery/collection of some previously unseen/unheard Alarm material! I'll try to post more often.... It depends on the goodwill of my friend at the moment, but if you do want to respond, I can usually convince him it's a good idea to pull me a copy of this file every 2 days or so. Cheers Gary Overington Worthing, Sussex, England. -shaun. =================================================== From: JuncoPrtnr@aol.com Subject: new to the list I recently found out about the list. I've been an Alarm fan since "Declaration" came out. It's still my favorite album by the guys. "Blaze of Glory" is one of the best songs written. Anyway, I've seen them three times in Denver, once in LA and once in Ventura. I've got an radio interview with Dave before they did the show in Ventura. A year after that Ventura show, which was the "Raw" tour, I saw Dave do a solo acoustic set opening up for Eddie Money, of all people. I thought that was rather ironic. I got a chance to rap with Dave for a few minutes after his set. He was incredibly cool, and shorter than I'd imagined. He mentioned something about that he was going on a tour with a big entourage, a whole gospel choir and the like. This was about 3 or 4 years ago, but I never heard anything about it in the few months after that. Pardon the redunancy if there's any, but when are Dave and Mike's solo projects coming out? One more thing, I hope this doesn't sound incredibly stupid, but does Mike still with his mum? =================================================== From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Steve Fulton's Sources Well I couldn't believe what I read yesterday, concerning Steve Fulton's sources, so I went right to the source this morning, and made a phone call to Wales. Here's the deal: 1. Mike has not been in the USA in a long time, not since he filmed some video footage almost two years ago. 2. Mike did some openeing dates with Stiff Little Fingers in the UK. Although Dave Sharp had been playing with SLF, he was not at the time. 3. Mike has talked to Dave a couple of times since The Gathering, but there was NO talk of an Alarm reunion, since neither of them are interested. They are both doing their "own thing" but remain friendly. 4. IRS will be releasing an Alarm B-Side Compilation album sometime in October or November in the UK. No US release date has been confirmed. (My vote for a title is "Beeside Town") 5. It looks like Mike will be in the US sometime in June or July and will be here for around 3 months. For anyone who got all excited about a possible Alarm reunion, sorry it looks like it won't happen. At least as far as Mike and Dave are concerned. If I hear anything else, I'll let you know. Love and Peace, Don =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: A couple of things. People seem to have taken me too literally! Remember most of the message I sent about promotion for the new album was IMHO. I wouldn't like to see an Alarm reunion because the new music from Dave and Mike is too good to scrap and go back to the old stuff. All I said was wouldn't it be perfect if MP and DS did some acoustic stuff together. >From the MPO tape: Mike is playing another support gig to SLF in Leicester on May 5th. Steve. (who didn't mean to start a panic!!!) ps Sorry there was no digest yesterday; I didn't get time to read my mail. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Apr 28 14:41:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s4oPx-0000YkC; Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:41 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:40:54 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:40:48 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Various From Today's Digest Swaps etc Re: MPO mailing list Re: Alarm mailing list archive? Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Before you make a personal attack, please get your facts straight!! Blaze Of Glory ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Various From Today's Digest > >This is the gist of the interview as I'm sitting in the office working from >memory. If it's important though, I can watch it again and give you a >transcription, else maybe send you a copy if you don't have it? > I wouldn't mind a copy of that video. Let me know if it is possible. I can run copies off, but in PAL format only. >Does this Mailing list ever double >up as >a want's/swaps/sales list? > I would be willing. >One more thing, I hope this doesn't sound incredibly stupid, but does Mike >still with his mum? > No, but Mike is very close to all his family. If you ever get a chance to meet them then do so. I met Mike's mother again in January, and the first thing she said was "I remember you complaining about the heat in Manchester International 2 in 1987"!!! > > Steve Fulton's Sources > I must take the blame; it was me, not Steve F >1. Mike has not been in the USA in a long time, not since he filmed some >video footage almost two years ago. > I got most of the info from a letter Dave sent to a friend of mine. He can express himself better with strings than words I think! I thought the meeting had been recent. >3. Mike has talked to Dave a couple of times since The Gathering, but there >was NO talk of an Alarm reunion, since neither of them are interested. They >are both doing their "own thing" but remain friendly. > Last time I spoke to Dave he was very bitter about talking about the Alarm and Mike in particular. This was only about a year ago. >5. It looks like Mike will be in the US sometime in June or July and will be >here for around 3 months. > I just hope I get a chance to see himwhen he gets back. >For anyone who got all excited about a possible Alarm reunion, sorry it looks >like it won't happen. At least as far as Mike and Dave are concerned. > All Dave said that IRS were pushing for promo material and wouldn't consider releasing the album without any. I said at the time I was ranting about the rest. :-) Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ==================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Swaps etc Date sent: 27-APR-1995 15:38:21 I think it is a great idea to have a swaps/wanted list. This would be ideal for getting things from overseas as there wouldnt be the hassle of foreign currency. My only worry is that it would be hard to implement. Any messages sent to the list, are only available in the following digest - usually the next day, and I'm sure none of us would want to see the same messages day after day. A solution could be that someone keeps a list of peoples wants and posts it to the list from time to time - say every 2/3 weeks. I for one, wouldnt want to see The Alarm reform with Mike - Dave, Eddie and Nigel as the Alarm fair enough, but not Mike. Why so long 'til the release of the b-sides album? Mike picked the tracks late last year - surely it doesnt take 11/12 months to 'make' the album! Later Stephen. "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: MPO mailing list I'm also sending this to the list as it is a possible FAQ: At 3:54 pm 27/4/95, John P. Marple wrote: >Hey Steve - > >Is the MPO mailing list available only in the UK? I sent my address >a while ago and have yet to receive anything! > >Thanks, >JP Marple You should receive something soon. They haven't sent anything to the US yet because of the huge cost of mailing several hundred American addresses. They will target America etc. as soon as Mike has dates for the release of Breathe and a tour. I don't know for certain but I suspect there have been problems, hence the delay. When I spoke to Mike in January he was itching to get Breathe out in the States and get over their to tour. He certainly remembers the Alarm fans and the friends he has in America. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: Alarm mailing list archive? This is mainly to Mikko (aka Wizard) but others may be interested: I have always promised an archive of the list, and Mikko mentions it on the Web page. Since the list has taken off so much recently I no longer have the facilities to keep all the old messages. I may be able to archive about a month at a time, but not much more than that. I am open to any offers................. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ==================================================== From: gelbin hossler Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest one question....... isn't mike pretty upset with u2 these days..... how could someone expect the two to tour together =================================================== From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > I have a 40 minute 1989 BBC Wales documentary on the Alarm in which Mike >talks > at length about the song, and he states that they had written A NEW SOUTH >WALES > to include on the Eye of The Hurricane LP, but it didn't seem to "fit" >with the > rest of the songs. > > He went on to say that they experimented with it a bit, but it dawned on them > that the song had (an unpronouncable Welsh word that I would'nt attempt to > spell, but that I took to be a word that represents) a heart-felt call for the > Welsh homeland. Accepting this, they elected to take it back to Wales to >record > it, and by adding the Male Voice Choir, it helped to strengthen the emotion > intended in the song. I think this is another chapter in the "Comparisons to U2 Chamber of Horrors." Not only did the photos (flowing white shirts, ect) of the band in _Change_ resenmble _Rattle and Humm_ era photos of U2, I beleive there were photos of Bono standing with a chior that was used on at least one cut on _Rattle and Humm_. If the addition of a chior to New South Wales predates _Rattle and Humm_ but wasn't released until _Change_ we have another stroke of bad luck for our mates in The Alarm. There should be a law. By the way, I was once setting up a PA for an open mic show at my college, playing _Electric Folklore_ and getting ready for the gig. A friend who hadn't heard the record asked if it was live U2. Restraining myself from physically harming a friend, I composed myself and explained that it was The Alarm. Personally, I don't think I ever really heard the resemblence myself. What do they have in common, musically? They both use guitars? they boht have male vocalists? They both often sing in English? They can both be broadly described as "alternative rock?" Neil ==================================================== From: Steve Fulton Subject: Before you make a personal attack, please get your facts straight!! > >From: PierreTen@aol.com >Subject: Steve Fulton's Sources > >Well I couldn't believe what I read yesterday, concerning Steve >Fulton's >sources, so I went right to the source this morning, and made a phone >call to >Wales. Don, I hate to tell you this, but I NEVER posted any rumors about The Alarm getting back together. That was posted by someone else. I realize it is hard to keep track of all the "Steves" around here, but the above message that you posted was VERY specific as to who it held contempt for (ME) and to be honest, pretty embarrassing to me as a whole. What I'm trying to say here is that the "Subject:" of your message was not necessarily the best way to handle what you had to say, especially since it was very specific, and in this case totally off-base. You have to remember that there is a real person named "Steve Fulton" behind my e-mail address, and that person (ME) gets upset and has emotions just like you and everyone else who posts messages to The Alarm mailing list. Now we all like rumors here. They are really what keeps the list going. I mean, we can argue all day about how many "Rescue Me" 12" singles were produced, but what people really want to know is news. I have posted some rumors here. The last one was about the MPO going on-line with a WEB site. Gazza's message yesterday proves that MY sources are not suspect, and in fact accurate. They just happen to be the same sources you used to get your NEWS. By the way, I would like to commend you on your NEWS. You handled that part really well. If you don't believe something, go ahead, try to find out more information, that is really cool. The information you posted was great. But, please, don't make personal attacks like you did, especially if they are unwarranted. I've sent this message to the whole list because I felt a need to retract what I felt was near-slanderous accusations made against me. I also think that the whole list can learn from this, or comment on it. Not in a flame-war like way, but in a healthy discussion. Even if the rumors were not mine, maybe I DO piss people off. If I do, than I would like to know it. Do I post too many messages? Am I too enthusiastic? Do I contribute to some people being afraid to post messages? I would like to know the answers to these questions, but not not to start a flame-war, just to know, so I can change something that might be bothering people. Anyway, I've now wasted alot of band-width with this tirade, but I needed to get this off my chest. I would like you to knwo, Don, if you are reading this, that I'm not angry, I just want to clear stuff up, and find out if there are any deeper problems that I should know about. Thanks, Steve Fulton "Oh I, Have spent my time on the line, Firing Line" =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Blaze Of Glory > >From: JuncoPrtnr@aol.com > >I recently found out about the list. I've been an Alarm fan since >"Declaration" came out. It's still my favorite album by the guys. "Blaze of >Glory" is one of the best songs written. I toally agree. Although, I like "Tell Me" and "Howling Wind" as well. If enought people took the time to listen, I think "Declaration" would be considered one of the best albums of the 80's. > >Anyway, I've seen them three times in Denver, once in LA and once in Ventura. >I've got an radio interview with Dave before they did the show in Ventura. A > Is this interview from KLOS radio with Bob Coburn? If so, I have it too, but only part of it. I'm going to transcribe it for the WEB site, but I want to make sure I have as much of it as possible. It really is a good interview. -Steve Fulton "I've Always Been a Loser" === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Apr 28 17:01:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s4qc8-0000ZIC; Fri, 28 Apr 95 17:01 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:01:13 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:01:10 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Rumours etc. Rumours ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Rumours etc. Re: Before you make a personal attack, please get your facts straight!! > >I hate to tell you this, but I NEVER posted any rumors about The Alarm >getting back together. > No, and neither did I, although I posted the message in question, and if anyone has a problem with it read the MHO suffix to the last part of the message. I don't intend this list to become a place for flame wars or anything like that. This whole episode has left me feeling very down about what I put on the list. In future I doubt I will post any info until it is 100% confirmed. I'm sorry, but my name is on this list, and I don't want to be blamed for causing trouble or starting any false rumours. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: 91760984 <91760984@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: Rumours Our friend Steve Fulton was correct in his recent comments about rumours helping this mailing list to be so successful. The Official Web site soon to be launched should provide an outlet for the more reliable rumours. I am constantly amazed at how quickly rumours spread, especially the recent one regarding the reforming of the Alarm. For the UK fans who don't already know, Mike is supporting the Stiff Little Fingers on Friday 5th May in Leiceter. If it was half as good as his supporting gig in Manchester it will be worth the trip. Gazza. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon May 1 18:02:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s5wzG-0000YjC; Mon, 1 May 95 18:02 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 1 May 1995 16:01:55 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:01:50 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: More rumours Not My Intention.... Tan musings Re: List archive Re: Alarm mailing list archive? ============================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: More rumours Date sent: 28-APR-1995 15:59:47 I dont see what is wrong with rumours as long as no one takes them as the truth. Without rumours there would be nothing to discuss. What I dont agree with, is the flaming of someone, just because you feel the need too. Steve Varty spends alot of his precious time running this list, and he obviously has some good contacts. He goes out of his way to provide the list members with what he thinks we might be interested in, sure some of it may not be 100%, but is he to stop posting because of the 5-10% which may turn out to be untrue? No I think not. As for Steve Fulton - without his regular postings to this list, you would only get a digest every week or so. I dont know about the rest of you, but I look forward to receiving a digest, and feel pissed off on the days when none are forthcoming. So please Steve V and Steve F - keep posting to this list! Just thumbed through the latest issue of Record Collector magazine which includes its yearly list of the 500 most collectable artists. Some what of a surprise (well to me anyway) that after not appearing for the last couple of year, The Alarm have got a new entry at number 399. Now I wonder who that is down to? Would it be a certain Mr Peters back releasing records? I think so. Later Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Not My Intention.... I would like to apologize to not only Steve(s), but to anyone else who saw my letter as attacking, or bitter. That was not my intention AT ALL! I am really sorry that anybody saw it as such. My only objective was to stop any rumors before they became too wide spread. Let me explain my knee jerk reaction. I have been such a die-hard fan of the Alarm and Mike Peters for a long, long time. I was, like all of you I'm sure, devistated to hear that they had split up. Over the past couple of years I have become very close to everyone at the MPO, especially Mike and Jules. They work so hard to keep us all informed and updated. They really put their hearts and souls into their work. Mike himself, is so kind to his fans. Furthermore, I happen to think that Breathe is really special and as good, if not better, than the Alarm's work. When people talk about Alarm reunions, especially considering that only a handful of people here (USA) have had a chance to hear Mike's solo , it seems really sad. Like they aren't willing to give him a chance. I guess I get too defensive about Mike Peters / The Alarm. Please forgive me Steve, this was not an attack against you, only against those not willing to give Mike's solo career a chance. Keep posting, you have alot of great things to say. And to everyone else, I think we have alot to look foward to from Mike, an I for one am very excited about it. Love and Peace, Don =================================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: Tan musings I listened to the Tan album yesterday for the first time. As with most of the Alarm's and MP's Welsh versions of songs, the Tan songs were not a radical departure musically from the English versions. Most of the notes and vocal emphasis being in the same place. It would be nice if one day, Mike could write some Welsh songs from scratch instead of starting in English and translating to Welsh. It must be very limiting to try and get lyrics to fit in a certain amount of time. I noticed for example that Mike sang "There's a 1000 points.." in "Rockin in the free world" in English. Perhaps this was a time consideration? Curiosly, although perhaps not too surprisingly, Dave's songs were not on the album. They were replaced by "The Road", "Unsafe Building" and "Happy Christmas". Now, was this because Dave is English and can't sing in Welsh? Or was it part of the feud between Mike and Dave? Finally, I noticed that Dave, Eddie and the Twist were given credits for backing vocals. I think I detected a difference in accent (although of course, I'm not a Welsh speaker myself) between Mike and the backup vocals. Mike rolls his "R"s quite often. This is also present on the AER album. I noticed that the "R"s for the Tan backing vocals were more "flat" or more "Standard English". Richard Its been a long time coming and its good to be back =================================================== From: wiz@nova.hut.fi (Mikko =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=94nninen?= ) Subject: Re: List archive > From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) > Subject: Re: Alarm mailing list archive? > I have always promised an archive of the list, and Mikko mentions it on th= e > Web page. Since the list has taken off so much recently I no longer have > the facilities to keep all the old messages. I may be able to archive abou= t > a month at a time, but not much more than that. I am open to any > offers................. Well, actually, I had a plan in mind. I think I do have all the messages since joining the list - I hope I haven't misplaced any - so that isn't a problem. However, what I'm looking for is the messages from the earlier time, this would be before December of 1994. Seems the first message I have is dated Dec 5th, but I might have some older messages on a different site which I can't check right now. Anyway, I think I can make a new mail folder which I can make available through the web page, so then I could provide a sort of archive -- the contents of my alarm mailbox. :) That would mean all the digests are just tagged together in a big file, but I think that is enough, even if it's not very readable from the Web. I can keep the archive here unless it becomes _huge_. I don't know how much space the messages together will take, but I can spare some megabytes easily. I'm open to other suggestions too, of course. > -- > <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science > Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne > > "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century -- Mikko H=94nninen, aka. Wizard // Mets=94hovi Radio Research Station // Stay = Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Count= ry http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 2 23:37:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s6Lq1-0000YjC; Tue, 2 May 95 20:34 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 2 May 1995 16:53:06 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 16:52:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: TAN "Can't We All Just Get Along?" ============================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: TAN Richard Yen commented on TAN... TAN is a very interesting album. It seems like every other is different or at least interesting. The version of "The Road" seems better than the original, but "Wind Blows Away My Words" is exactly the same. "Moments In Time" is shortened for no particular reason, but it is followed up by a really good version of "Rockin' In The Free World" that is not edited, and has the proper ending of the original. "Raw" has a completely different backing track that I think is a bit superior to the original. "Hell Or Highwater" seems to fall flat, while "Lead Me Through The Darkness" is better, and seems much longer. The real gem for me is "Let The River Runs It's Course". The lyrics are much better in Wlesh, and the whole song is present. It is still not one of The Alarm's best songs, but it is 100 times better than the version on the RAW album. -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: "Can't We All Just Get Along?" To Don,Steve Varty, et al, It looks like we all got a bit upset, or reactionary too soon. I'm sorry it happened. This list and Alarm community is too important to ruin, so let's try to bury the hatchet(if there is one) and continue. OK? I think it will be a very easy thing to do. -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed May 3 18:30:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s6gNw-0000ZJC; Wed, 3 May 95 18:30 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:30:42 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:30:39 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The MPO Re: The MPO Thoughts About The Alarm ============================================== From: 91760984 <91760984@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: The MPO I was surprised to find that some regular contributors to this internet group are not listed as members of the MPO (Mike Peters Organisation). The MPO is open to everyone, not just UK fans. In particular: Matt Ediebauer Mikko Hanninen Bobby Hutchins Neil Clopton Eddie Bauer Shaun Beuingham and anyone else I missed. Get in touch with the MPO. Its free and well worthwile: MPO PO Box 709 Prestatyn Clwyd LL19 9YR Wales UK Tel: (01745) 888911 Fax: (01745) 888961 Email: The email address will be anounced within the next few days, I hope. I will let you all know. Gazza. =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The MPO I will relpy to Gazza's message now to avoid any confusion because I'm sure some of the people on his list wrote to me asking to be put on the MPO mailing list: If you sent me your address I did pass it on to the MPO. If it hasn't been added then I don't know why! If anybody wants to be on the MPO mailing list then email SOON because I will be writing to them at the weekend. This will save you the postage. If however you want to write personally then fine by me. Lets go Into The 21st Cebtury together. :-) Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Thoughts About The Alarm Since No one posted any messages again, I thought I would just ramble on about The Alarm a bit. I don't know when you other guys/gals(?) got into The Alarm, but for me it was when I was 14, in 8th grade. Previously in my life, I had bought exactly 3 records. "Dynasty"by Kiss, a David Bowie 7", and a Van Halen 7". When I was 14, I decided it was time to get some records. For my birthday I went down to the record store and bought "Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply" by Slade, the "Longest Time" 7" by Billy Joel, and a "Declaration" cassette by The Alarm. I hadn't really heard The Alarm before I bought the tape. I heard a little of " 68 Guns" on the radio, but that was it. I wasn't even impressed by the song. This was 1984, and heavy metal was in full swing. I mean, I was listening to Quiet Riot and Motley Crue. I even dabbled in break dancing!!! Anyway, for some reason, I was drawn to The Alarm. I don't know if it was divine power, or some inspiration, but I bought "Declaration" without ever hearing it, and it became my favorite record instantly. I didn't even know what the songs were about, or even that The Alarm were Welsh. I justed liked the images. "Marching On", "Blaze Of Glory",and especially, "We Are The Light". I suppose I was a depressed youth. My love of life I had taken into Junior High at the age of 11 had been trampled by reality by the time I was 14, and I guess I was aimless. The Alarm changed all that. little by little the lyrics of "Declaration" sank in. I was genuinly inspired. In 1985 I saw The Alarm for the first time. It was also the first concert I ever attended. I will never forget The Alarm. The presence they had on stage was simply incredible. No other band I've ever seen has matched the Alarm on that night in 1985, not even The Alarm. They played every song from Declaration, and nearly all of the ones from Strength. I sang as loud as possible, to every song. I knew every lyric, every word. I will never forget the effect The Alarm had on my youth. When I look back on it, they were really the only good thing I've taken out of it. When there in mention of them, anywhere, I stop and take notice. I have to admit, I do dream of them getting back together for one final tour and album, a summing up, and a finishing off of what they started. I know it will probably never happen, but part of me waits and hopes. -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu May 4 12:27:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s6xBc-0000ZNC; Thu, 4 May 95 12:27 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:27:06 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:27:02 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: New version of intro file is ready. Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: New version of intro file is ready. Any comments? I think the WWW info should go as part of the FAQ. Should it also be in the intro? Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century ========================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List WELCOME TO THE ALARM MAILING LIST ================================= I would like to welcome you to The Alarm Mailing List, a list for discussion about the Welsh group The Alarm, and what happened to them after they split up! 1.) Address: If you wish to post an article to the list, then send it to me at: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk To join or leave this list then send a message to the same address with SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject and I will do the rest. If you have already contacted me stating that you wish to join the list, then a SUBSRIBE message will not be needed. Please e-mail me once you have received your first digest so that I know all is well! 2.) Information about the list This is a moderated list, and will come out in digest form. As most of the work needed to run this list will be done by hand, it will not be as fast as some lists, but I hope to send at least one digest per day. There is very little information sent over the Usenet groups about what happened to the various members of the band after they split up, so I hope to solve that with this list. The more posts I get, the more regular the digest becomes! If you wish to reply to a post in the digest it is helpful if you can change the subject field in the header to something relevant. 3.) FAQ and Discography I am finally working on a FAQ file. I have several lists of questions which I hope to be able to answer but even I don't know them all! All contributions will be greatfully received (answers in particular!) This will therefore be an on-going project. A very full discography is available, but it may take me some ] time to reply to a request if my work load is high. 4.) World Wide Web pages There is currently an unofficial Alarm page ran by Mikko Hanninen the URL is: http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html Mike Peters has promised an official page soon. So it just remains for me to remind you that the more posts I receive, the more often a digest will be sent. Please be patient at first so that any initial problems can be sorted out. I must end with thanks to Andre and Melissa from the Simple Minds list for their help, support and software in getting this list up and (hopefully) running. Thanx, Steve. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu May 4 12:29:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s6xE7-0000ZNC; Thu, 4 May 95 12:29 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:29:39 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:29:37 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Eye.. lyric booklet Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest "The Message" and "Breathe" Re: MPO mailing list more about Tan MPO list The Alarm list - Today's Digest RE: The Alarm list ============================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Eye.. lyric booklet Date sent: 4-MAY-1995 08:00:22 Can anyone give me any information on a Eye Of The Hurricane lyric booklet produced by the fanclub? I was wondering what it was and whether it was worth shelling out a fiver for? Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest RE: Steve Fulton's early experiences with The Alarm Well, Steve, it sounds like you and I are about the same age. I think you have a year or two on me, but we both latched on The Alarm at about 14. The other big similarity is that the band's positive slant on things seems to have resonated with both of us. I was listening to Black Flag and other UNhappy music when I was loaned a copy of the 5 song EP. Shortly after that I heard "Spirit of 76" and was struck by the way it captured the same romantic optimism as "Marching On" in a very different package. I was starved for hope and The Alarm somehow helped me see that there was hope to be had. They didn't GIVE me hope, they just encouraged me to look and find the hope that was there. I suppose I wouldn't have accepted that help form them if their music wasn't also very honest about pain and frustration. As I've writen to the list before, my relationship to the band's music took on another dimention in late 86 when I became a Christian, but that's another story. Neil =================================================== From: JimRHansen@aol.com Subject: "The Message" and "Breathe" I bought the "Breathe" CD last week and am enjoying it. I have two questions. I am assuming that the song "The Message" is a cover. Who sang the song originally? It seems like it may be vaguely familiar. Is this Mike's only solo CD? I recall seeing a solo disc a few months ago at the local record store. I can't recall if it was a different CD than "Breathe." Someone answered a previous question of mine about Mike's interest in running and said they might be able to find his marathon time. I lost that post, but if that person could find his time I would find it interesting, although it's really of no particular use; just curiousity. Thanks! =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: MPO mailing list At 11:17 pm 3/5/95, Dirk W. Horst wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Please pass along my name to the MPO. I'm a bit confused though, is this a >"snail-mailing list", or an "e-mailinglist"? Could you explain briefly, or >post the info to the Alarm list please? Thanks in advance. > >dirkh@iadfw.net > Snail mail list. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: more about Tan Since reading Steve Fulton's message about Tan, I listened to the album a couple of times more. I certainly agree that the Road sounds better in Welsh. I'm pretty neutral/positive for the other songs (Hell or High Water, The Wind Blows away my words (very remnant of a Victor Hugo poem), Unsafe Building). I don't know if I can get used to Rockin' in the Free World in Welsh. It is pretty interesting, though. (I suppose that if the Alarm were Canadian, they could have put that song on the recent Borrowed Tunes tribute to Neil Young album). A couple of the other songs weren't exactly my favorites in English, and being sung in Welsh can't save them for me (Lead me through the Darkness, Let the River Run). Oh well, overall I agree that it is an interesting effort. It certainly will only interest the dedicated Alarm fan (why listen to a language you can't understand?) or Welsh linguists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Its been a long time coming and | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | its good to be back | | yen@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca | (Change II, The Alarm) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: MPO list >From Gazza's statement about not seeing our names (I figure I'm among those not on the list), I take it that the MPO actually publishes a list of its different members? How many members are there? Its nice to know that you're not alone 8-). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Its been a long time coming and | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | its good to be back | | yen@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca | (Change II, The Alarm) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== From: Bobby Hutchins <74431.247@compuserve.com> Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Steve Fulton's reminiscence on the Alarm brought back many similar memories. I can remember first hearing Declaration while working for a record shop in 1984. As I listened to their lyrics, I realized that these guys really had something to say. (certainly rare, especially during the eighties) I especially was drawn to The Deceiver, (what a great song). As I "grew up", got married, and started a family, The Alarm has remained a part of my life for inspiration, encouragement, and just plain fun. Even this morning, on my way to work, I was listening to the "RAW" album and when "Hell or High Water" came on, I was again reminded of the truth in that song. Thanks, Mike, Dave, Eddie, and Twist for being a part of our lives and whether you meant to or not, pointing us in the right direction. Rev. Bobby Hutchins =================================================== From: Chris_Morin@vos.stratus.com Subject: RE: The Alarm list I've been an Alarm fan since their Declaration LP and think they're really cool. I actually got to see them twice on their RAW tour and they were simply incredible. I picked up the "It Just Don't Get Any Better Than This" and the "Back Into The System" ep's and MP's Breathe. These are great. Despite White Noise on "IJDGABTT" every song is really good. I have been looking for a good video copy of Spirit Of '86. Could anyone help me out? Does anyone know if MP is planning a US tour? Chris === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri May 5 17:18:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s7OCe-0000ZNC; Fri, 5 May 95 17:18 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 5 May 1995 15:17:36 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 15:17:32 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The MPO mailing list An introduction Stories Mike Peters Various replies part 1 ".....when I'm 65." :-) ============================================== From: 91760984 <91760984@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: The MPO mailing list No, the MPO list is not published, but I can tell you that it has nearly 5,000 members. This is bigger that the fan clubs of U2, Simple Minds, and probably any other band. These figures are expected to significantly rise when the American album is released in the next few months. The MPO's figures are made up of 'real' addresses, not email ones, although this is something that will be introduced when the Official Alarm and Mike Peters WWW site is launched (in the next few weeks). So get your names to the office directly, or via Steve Varty. Dr Gazza. =================================================== From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: An introduction Hi all, Just thought I'd introduce myself to the list. My names Rich Delano and I'm an employee at Boston University and long time Alarm fan. I'm not so much collector of Alarm stuff however, as I don't have any of their singles and whatnot. My collection consists merely of the albums and the live video. Let's see...what else... I've never heard any solo material, so I can't judge it. Other than the Dave Sharp album, has anything been released in the US? Favourite album: _Strength_ with _Declaration_ a very close second Favourite songs: "Third Light" and "Spirit of '76" Well, that's all for now. Just wanted to post a little something to take some of the pressure off of the Steves :) Rich Boston Univ. =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Stories >From: Neil Clopton >RE: Steve Fulton's early experiences with The Alarm >Steve Fulton's reminiscence on the Alarm brought back many similar >Rev Bobby Hutchins >From: Chris_Morin@vos.stratus.com >I've been an Alarm fan since their Declaration LP Thanks for these responses guys. When I wrote that message, your responses were exactly what I was trying to elicit. Does anyone else have anything to add? -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Mike Peters > >From: Chris_Morin@vos.stratus.com >Subject: RE: The Alarm list >I've been an Alarm fan since their Declaration LP >and think they're really cool. I actually got to see >them twice on their RAW tour and they were simply >incredible. I picked up the "It Just Don't Get Any >Better Than This" and the "Back Into The System" ep's >and MP's Breathe. These are great. Despite White Noise >on "IJDGABTT" every song is really good. Great achronym "IJDGABTT"!!! I totally agree, especially about "White Noise". You know though, I think the fact that the song is not a favorite is what Mike Wanted. It is shocking, and hard to listen to, which is basically what the song is about. >I have been looking for a good video copy of Spirit Of '86. >Could anyone help me out? Haven't seen one in a LONG time. If I do, I'll tell you. >Does anyone know if MP is planning a US tour? Yes, but no one knows when! -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Various replies part 1 > >RE: Steve Fulton's early experiences with The Alarm > My story is quite dull really. I heard the Stand on John Peel's radio show and really liked it. He was always saying how good they were live, and plugged their Marquee show so much I went down to see them. This was (I think) early 1983 and I was 16. I was so blown away by the show that I went to see them about 6 or 7 times more that year, and a dozen times plus in 84. 85 was a good year; I managed over 20 shows from the 2 tours! 86 was a UK Alarm drought, but I still managed 2 shows including Wembley stadium. 87, slowing down, only about 8. 88, only 5! After that I had a period of serious ill health then met my (now) wife and only travelled outside of Newcastle once. My last ever Alarm show was Newcastle Mayfair on the Raw tour. Not much of a story really because it fizzled out at the end. I have managed 8 MP shows in the last 2 years though, ".....and its good to be back." Re: "The Message" and "Breathe" > > >I bought the "Breathe" CD last week and am enjoying it. I have two questions. >I am assuming that the song "The Message" is a cover. Who sang the song >originally? It seems like it may be vaguely familiar. Is this Mike's only >solo CD? I recall seeing a solo disc a few months ago at the local record >store. I can't recall if it was a different CD than "Breathe." Grandmaster Flash recorded the original Message; Mike recorded the "Mess-Age". Apart from Breathe there are 2 singles. >Rev. Bobby Hutchins REV.!!! We do have a large cross-section here. That's good because the music is not aimed at one small market. It reminds me though of a story Peter Jones told me about a Vicar who phoned the MPO to "confess" that he owned MP bootleg tapes. :-) -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: ".....when I'm 65." :-) This is mainly for Gazza, but others may be interested: We now have 65 members on the list. Hello to the new members. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed May 10 17:46:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s9D1M-0000ZNC; Wed, 10 May 95 17:45 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 10 May 1995 15:45:48 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:45:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Brixton Academy Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reasons for the splitup. Excitement How I became an Alarm fan? questions about different songs ============================================== Sorry for the lack of digest yesterday; we had 2 power failures, and since it is my job to restart the machines, I didn't have time to post one during the hours that we actually had electricity. Steve. On with the show..................... From: "Mickey \"Whose Name Was Writ In Water\" Moon" Subject: Brixton Academy Hello all. I would also like to say something about the Alarm's influence on my personal life. I was around 13 when I was first introduced to the Alarm. It was around 1985, when I keep hearing my brother sing "Come on down and meet your maker..." I was curious and so I kept looking out for that song on U68 (a free music video tv station that no longer exist). I saw the video once and I really liked it. Also, around that time, Strength was released and I saw the video for that also. The two songs really impressed me. I was fortunate enough to also see the videos for 68 Guns and Spirit of 76 in the same year. Spirit of 76 really really got my attention and so I went out bought the Strength album. It was all I listened to. I was really hooked. Then I went out and bought Declaration and I was also addicted to this album. I wanted to show all of my friends the great music of the Alarm, but nobody cared for it. I think this made me like Alarm more. I think I also got into the Alarm because they sounded a bit like U2. I know people on this list get upset when someone compare them to U2, but I'm just telling you what I felt at the time. Now, I think there is a lot of difference between the two bands music. I was a born-again Christian at the time and thought that Stand was a religious song. Now I am an agnostic and so their religious beliefs don't matter too much to me. I've never seen any more videos from the Alarm other than the ones that I mentioned above. I also don't collect any of their rarities. I don't have any of their videos other than The Alarm Greatest Hits Live at the Brixton Academy, which I just bought last weekend. It's funny that at the end of the concert, Mike Peters said to the audience "I would like to thank you all for supporting ME through out the years." Did they know that they were going to break up at the time? I also don't have any solo stuff. I would like to get Hard Travelling but can't seem to find it anywhere. If anyone live near NYC / NJ area please let me know if he/she is willing to tell me where I can get some of the videos or albums. I am also looking for someone to put music into some of the lyrics that I wrote. Anyone here knows how to play guitar or piano? Well, thank you very much all. I think I've typed enough. Mickey Moon I have known them all already -- known them all I have know the evenings, mornings, and the afternoons I have measured out my life with coffee spoons I know the voices dying with a dying fall Beneath the music from a further room And so how should I presume? -- Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock -- T.S. Eliot =================================================== From: neil-clopton@uiowa.edu (Neil Clopton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >Thanks for these responses guys. When I wrote that message, your >responses were exactly what I was trying to elicit. Does anyone >else have anything to add? More than happy to contribute. I think that there are stories like ours to be told says something about the band's music. Personally, I think honesty is the greatest human virtue, and I think there is a great deal of honesty in The Alarm's music. I think that is why we respond to it the way we do. What kind of stories do you think Bananarama fans tell about their rlationships to the band? Neil >to see them about 6 or 7 times more that year, and a dozen times plus in >84. 85 was a good year; I managed over 20 shows from the 2 tours! 86 was a >UK Alarm drought, but I still managed 2 shows including Wembley stadium. >87, slowing down, only about 8. 88, only 5! After that I had a period of I am so jellous I could scream. Does somebody want to sell me a concert video to ease my pain? Neil =================================================== From: neil-clopton@uiowa.edu (Neil Clopton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >A couple of the other songs weren't exactly my favorites in English, and >being sung in Welsh can't save them for me (Lead me through the Darkness, >Let the River Run). Being a Yank, and a bit lazy, I don't have Tan, but I do have an opinion about Welsh vs English versions. I liked, but didn't love, "Sold Me Down The River" in English. The Welsh version, which I didn't understand a word of, I loved. Can't explain it. One friend suggested that since I didn't undertand the words I probably tuned in on the music and thus enjoyed it more. Neil =================================================== From: Gladstone Subject: Reasons for the splitup. I've been on the Alarm-list for a while, and though I've tried to post before, the mail has always mysteriously disappeared without a trace somewhere between here and Steve's mailbox (not this time I hope!!!). I've liked Alarm for many years, and the weird thing about them is that this is one of the few groups I am into that I don't know a lot about. I have learned a lot in the months I've been on this list, but now I want to ask a question to all the experts out there about one thing: why did they split up. I have understood that Mike Peters was the one who left the band, and that this was unexpected by the other guys. I am under the impression that there was some tension between Mike and Dave and that this might have had something to do with it, am I correct? What official reasons were given for Mike leaving the band, and what was the _real_ reason? I have also heard that Dave said the band would definately go on, but now we know that this didn't happen. Why? Looking forward to getting this cleared up, Svein --- Svein Borge Hjorthaug * mail sinsh@alf.uib.no Fantoft Studentby B235 * IRC nick Gladstone 5036 FANTOFT, NORWAY * phone 55 27 61 79 Linus: I guess it's wrong always to be worrying about tomorrow. Maybe we should think only about today. Charlie Brown: No, that's giving up. I'm still hoping that yesterday will get better. =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Excitement I didn't realize how much I missed seeing The Alarm play live until last Thursday. I went to see the Los Angeles Lakers basketbell team play ina playoff game. NBA basketball has fans that are about as rabid as British Soccer fans, although violence is seldom seen. Anyway, the game was fantastic (we won!), but I couldn't help likening it to the best Alarm shows I went to. The crowd was incredible, and behind our guys the whole way, and I thought about, when I saw The Alarm, how the crowd was the same, except for one main point, The Alarm didn't have a chance of losing. Other than that, the feeling was much the same. The excitment was all there, the adoring roar of the crowd, everything. I haven't felt that since 1989. I think the incredible noise is what did it. The Alarm's guitars mixed with the crowd was intoxicating. I've never felt the same about seeing any other band (although the Goo Goo Dolls and Soul Asylum have come close)... Anyway, enough dreaming. At least I have my "live" tapes... -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: How I became an Alarm fan? Date sent: 9-MAY-1995 07:59:19 As others have done, so shall I. I first heard the Alarm when they released 68 Guns, and thought that this was something different from the, then, modern music. However it was Where Were You... that really caught my attention, and still stands high on my list of Alarm favourites. This was the only single I owned by The Alarm for a couple of years - but it was the (UK) b-side Pavillion Steps that convinced me to by Declaration. P Steps is a great song with a quiet start into a loud finish - and shows that even in the early years, the band were interested in local as well as national issues. With Declaration I became hooked, and started buying every record they released and read all the music papers for snippets of information. Back in the middle eighties (83-86) The Alarm were mentioned in the press most weeks, with a major article every couple of months. Whilst at school through O and A levels - I only managed to see The Alarm in concert a couple of times, mainly because my father didnt want me going to Manchester and Liverpool on my own, and The Alarm didnt play my home town. When I did my four year degree course in Sheffiedl that all changed - and I saw the Alarm as many times as I could. There music helped me through many a long night - and it was also during these four years that I went from a normal record buying, concert attending fan to a couldn't-get-enough-of-them devotee. When I graduated and moved to where I am living now (just south of London) the number of concerts I attended dropped simply because of lack of finance, what with a mortgage and everything. I still bought all the records and started to regularly visit record fairs. When the Alarm released the album RAW - the writing was on the wall for me - and it came as no great shock when Mike announced he was quitting the Alarm at Brixton. I was surprised that Mike had done it so publicly, but when you listen to songs such as Firing Line, Breaking Point, Wind Blows Away My Words and Let The River Run Its Course, you can hear that the split was coming. It was around this time that I stopped attending record fairs, something like kicking a habit really, for a couple of years, until I saw Mike perform at The Mean Fiddler and started having regular contact with the MPO. Then came Mike's album and this list! Now I'm back to visiting record fairs hoping to find that elusive album and listening to all the CDs. But now I've just become a father - yesterday in fact at 1.15am so I don't know what will happen now. Stephen P.S. I'm now taking 3 weeks off, so keep sending to the list and I'll look forward to reading 21 days worth of list on the 29th May. "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: questions about different songs For the song Change II, Mike sings most of the lyrics with Dave singing one verse. The song is credited to Sharp/Twist. Now, was this song originally supposed to be sung entirely by Dave? Or was it written specifically for two singers? I read in that 1985-6 ish book about the Alarm that the band took its name from a song called Alarm Alarm. I also recently heard a portion of this song from the Absolute Tour Flexi disc. Does the complete version of this song exist anywhere? If so, I think it should be included on the B-sides album. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Its been a long time coming and | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | its good to be back | | yen@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca | (Change II, The Alarm) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu May 11 19:42:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s9bG5-0000YkC; Thu, 11 May 95 19:38 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:38:10 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:38:03 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Neil Wrote: >>What kind of stories do you think Bananarama fans tell about their >>relationships to the band? Good question :). Seriously though, you are right. I think the same can be said about most bands. I think there are only a few bands that could have the power to change someone's life, and The Alarm were definately one of them (Midnight Oil also comes to mind). I don't think The Alarm really understood how they changed people, but how could they? They were young, and frankly, so were most of us. Only now ,looking back, do I really see what happened. I bet Mike Peters is amazed each time someone says something like that to him. I only hope that Eddie, Twist and Dave realize how important they were as well. -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri May 12 17:07:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s9vMa-0000YkC; Fri, 12 May 95 17:06 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:06:33 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:59:02 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >amazed each time someone says something like that to him. I only >hope that Eddie, Twist and Dave realize how important they were as well. Given Dave's love of Woody Guthrie's music, I think it will be intended. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Ediebauer@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Just to add on to Fultons comments....I think U2 has really impacted me..but even more than that Alarn really seems to be able to speak much more clearly to me than U2...I'll admit U2 is my favorite band but they seem slide on the surface of things(if you will) rather than diving through the surface.....Just something to think about! Matt === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon May 15 17:09:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sB0pn-0000YkC; Mon, 15 May 95 17:09 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 15 May 1995 15:09:00 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 15:08:57 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: I'll try to catch up! U2 and The Alarm Advance warning. WWW page ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: I'll try to catch up! >More than happy to contribute. I think that there are stories like ours to >be told says something about the band's music. Personally, I think honesty >is the greatest human virtue, and I think there is a great deal of honesty >in The Alarm's music. I think that is why we respond to it the way we do. >What kind of stories do you think Bananarama fans tell about their >rlationships to the band? > How many times have The Alarm been shot down in flames for showing a bit of honesty? I think that Neil, myself, "da boys", and most (if not all of this list) are alone in wanting that quality in both music and life! Re: Reasons for the splitup. See the "coming soon" FAQ. > > >I've been on the Alarm-list for a while, and though I've tried to post >before, the mail has always mysteriously disappeared without a trace >somewhere between here and Steve's mailbox (not this time I hope!!!). Need I say more......... Re: Excitement Steve talked about how excited he felt at an Alarm show; well, all I can say is wait until you see MP&tP. Anybody who saw the Saturday night Gathering 3 show and doesn't agree can consider themselves unsubscribed. [ :-) (or is it!) ] >When I graduated and moved to where I am living now (just south of London) >the number of concerts I attended dropped simply because of lack of finance, >what with a mortgage and everything. I know that feeling. If anybody cares (and I'll be upset if you don't) my graduation ceremony is Saturday May 20th at Newcastle City Hall. (plug plug boast boast). How many people can (or would even want to) say they have seen the Alarm play there. OK, so its no big deal, but I've very little to say! >But now I've just become a father - yesterday in fact at 1.15am so I don't >know what will happen now. Congratulations. It will be belated when you read this but what else can I say. Oh yes, YOU SILLY BUGGER!!! :-) Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: U2 and The Alarm >I'll admit U2 is my favorite band but they seem slide on the >surface of things(if you will) rather than diving through the >surface.....Just something to think about! I am different to most people. I liked U2 and had all their records, but I got REALLY into them because of the Alarm. I actually missed the Alarm supporting U2 in Newcastle because I was told they weren't going to be there. I loved the Joshua Tree, but compare Zooropa (better than AB in my opinion) to Breathe; no prizes for guessing my choice. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: Advance warning. I will be on holiday from June 6th until at least June 22nd! This will mean that there will be no mailing list over these weeks. My email will still be delivered, and I will post any messages when I return. With a bit of luck some official web page or email will be set up by then because I have a feeling that this time will be a busy period in the US as far as Mike Peters is concerned. Steve. ps Lets all wish Mike's team all the best for Saturdays cup final because if they win then Newcastle will qualify for Europe. :-) pps That last bit will only make sense to the Brits! -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: WWW page If you haven't seen Mikkos web page (or don't know about it) then try it! I've just checked it for the first time in a couple of weeks, and theres loads of new stuff. Its at:- http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 16 19:01:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sBP3N-0000ZJC; Tue, 16 May 95 19:01 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 16 May 1995 17:00:49 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 17:00:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: U2...this subject still pisses me off!!! Alarm Demos From the MPO tape:- ============================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: U2...this subject still pisses me off!!! >> U2 I only got into U2 after The Alarm broke up, and it only lasted for for a few months. I heard the "demos" for their last real album and I thought they were great, but the album itself stank and I gave up on them. I've always felt that U2 copied a lot of The Alarm's stuff, then when The Alarm were getting lambasted about being U2 clones, U2 just sat back and took in all the glory. If you don't want to believe this, then I can give you few facts that might change your mind: 1. In 1983 in Boston MA, The Alarm and U2 were on the radio there, and Mike Peters played a cassette of "Blaze Of Glory" the version released as b-sides on the "Absolute Reality" singles. Remember, the similar sounding WAR album came out later that year, and it has sounds all over it that resemble Alarm songs 2. In 1989, Eddie MacDonald told "Stereo Review" magazine that Bono had told him, if it wasn't for Alarm songs like "The Stand" they could have never written "Sunday Bloody Sunday" 3. Listen to U2's album "October" The direction they were going in WAS NOT like The Alarm. They were getting really strange, but lo and behold, after their tour with The Alarm, they suddenly figure out how to rock again. 4. Do we even have to mention the similarities between "Josua Tree" and old Alarm songs like "Howling Wind". Also, what about the rootsy sounds on "Josua Tree", and the harmonica...U2 didn't do THAT first. Anyway, what I'm saying is that The Alarm were not just copies of U2, and there was a lot more BARROWING on each side than either is willing to admit. -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm Demos Ok, Richard Yen sent me a tape of his "What Kind Of Hell" 7" bootleg that is supposed to be done by 17. Has anyone else heard this? I found it remarkable. I doubt it was done by 17, but it is REALLY EARLY Alarm stuff. It was done at least before the Marching On singles were released in 1982. The songs are definately demos, they are of: What Kind Of Hell Marching On Across The Border All of them, have different lyrics/different arrangments than the final versions recorded and released. Now, with the "Devolution Working Man Blues" demo, and the "Strength" and "The Road" demos on the Gathering II video, that makes 6 good demos that are available. I also have The Alarm doing "68 Guns", "Unsafe Building" and "We are The light" on a David Jansen Session tape, and I have then doing "Absolute Reality" and "Deeside" ona Bruno Brooks session tape. Altogether that makes 11 demos/alterbate recordings that were never relased. Does anyone know of, or have any others? -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Subject: From the MPO tape:- Mike is playing support to the Stranglers UK tour in June. (No Newcastle show!) Breathe is out in S. Africa and doing well. If I Can't Have U is the lead track, with The Mess-Age to follow. If anybody hears of a mail order company that can supply then please tell the list. Mike is in New York finalising everything for the US release and tour. Gathering 4 to be announced soon. A new venue is being considered but due to all the other activity a date is proving very difficult to set. Steve. -- <>< From: Steve Varty Dept. of Computing Science Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk University of Newcastle U Tyne "Fi'n sic, fi'n sal, fi'n sinic sur fi" - Mike Peters, Dyma'r Ganrif Newy "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me" - Mike Peters, 21st Century === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed May 17 18:54:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sBlQm-0000ZNC; Wed, 17 May 95 18:54 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 17 May 1995 16:54:12 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 16:54:08 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Alarm demos Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: Mike News... Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: Alarm demos I sent a message a couple of days ago about the demos I have, but it must have gotten lost. Anyway, to add to what Steve Fulton mentioned, the 7" I have came with a picture sleeve of the Alarm as skeleton men. Trying to play on the Hell theme in What Kind of Hell, I guess. It'd be nice if I could find out what I really have a hold of here. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Its been a long time coming and | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | its good to be back | | yen@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca | (Change II, The Alarm) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================================== From: andremar@globalx.net Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Alarm/U2 Why does two bands playing the same style incest the massess. Imagine only one jazz sax player... The issue on the harmonica is silly, both are not ashamed to credit harmonica from B Dylan and subsequently W Guthrie. When I saw U2 on tour for October, Bono said something along hte lines of ... 4 bands left with meaning.. U2/Alarm/Big Country/Level 42. Obviously.... =================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: Mike News... >Breathe is out in S. Africa and doing well. If I Can't Have U is the >lead >track, with The Mess-Age to follow. If anybody hears of a mail order >company that can supply then please tell the list. Does this mean "If I can't Have You" is a single, and "The Message" will be the next one, or is that the line up of the songs on the album. Mike, if you can read this, DON'T, i repeat DON'T release "If I Can't Have You" as the single in the USA. If you do, the radio stations and press will eat you alive for ripping yourself off (because the song sounds so much like "Rain In The Summertime" > >Mike is in New York finalising everything for the US release and tour. I bet he is working on the WWW page as well, seeing as the guy who is doing it is supposedly in New York... -Steve Fulton =================================================== From: Juergen Gizzi Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Well, I didn't quite agree with your opinion. I'm a big Alarm and U2 fan for years now, and I think there are obvious parallels between the two bands, but >1. In 1983 in Boston MA, The Alarm and U2 were on the radio > there, and Mike Peters played a cassette of "Blaze Of > Glory" the version released as b-sides on the "Absolute > Reality" singles. Remember, the similar sounding WAR > album came out later that year, and it has sounds all > over it that resemble Alarm songs I don't see much musical parallels between the WAR album and for example "Declaration" or earlier Alarm stuff. The WAR album is a typicall U2 record, which is musically not so far away from "October" or "Boy". Take for example the typicall U2 guitar or the drumming. The Alarm always had an more straight forward rock sound, which I can't recognize on any U2 album. >2. In 1989, Eddie MacDonald told "Stereo Review" magazine that > Bono had told him, if it wasn't for Alarm songs like > "The Stand" they could have never written "Sunday > Bloody Sunday"> Lyrically I think you are quite right. The topics, both bands are writing about, are often similar. The similar attitudes both bands share are one of the main reasons (besides their great music) why I like both bands. I remember the radio broadcast from the Boston Alarm gig in '85, where Mike talked about Liverpool and the rock clubs there before "Spirit of '76" He said that they saw Bands like "U2" or "The Pretenders", which had both a graet influence on their music. On the other hand I agree that they also had an influence on U2 later, for example concerning coverversions. U2 started playing songs like "Knocking on heavens door" in 1985, and I think that 's probably because of the tour with the Alarm. So as a conclusion, I don't think The Alarm is a copy of U2 and vice versa. >3. Listen to U2's album "October" The direction they were going > in WAS NOT like The Alarm. They were getting really > strange, but lo and behold, after their tour with The > Alarm, they suddenly figure out how to rock again. I guess they had not found there musical direction at the time "October" came out. I guess they did not find it until present which albums like "Zooropa" clearly show. Juergen === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu May 18 17:04:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sC6C1-0000ZPC; Thu, 18 May 95 17:04 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 18 May 1995 15:01:59 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:01:56 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Vinyl Alarm Re: If I can't have U Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest U2 again Problems again! ============================================== From: arlin@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Arlin Bartels) Subject: Vinyl Alarm Forgive the lack of protocol from a first-time Alarm list poster. I happened to be passing through the Washington D.C. area and came upon a used record store which had (used) vinyl copies of all of the albums through Change, but more interestingly, a couple of 12" singles. I've seen the "Knife Edge" single before, but I hadn't seen the "Spirit of '76 two-pack". It had 5 songs across two 12" singles in a single foldout package, mostly remixes. Is it worth a listen? Are any of you collectors looking for it? E-mail me privately if you want details... Arlin Bartels E-mail: arlin@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov BTW: Please forgive my ignorance, but, what is the meaning behind the red/black "flowery" symbol that's been on all their work from the video for "The Stand" onwards? I should know, but I don't... ========================================================= From: Richard Yen Subject: Re: If I can't have U Steve Fulton mentioned that Mike shouldn't release If I can't have U as a single in (North) America because of its similarity to Rain in the Summertime. I'll admit that the first time I heard it, I thought the beginning was just a sample of one of those Rain remixes (Haze, Thunder, Lightning, Instrumental). Thankfully, the rest of the song does differ a bit more from Rain in the Summertime. But, of course, I'm more forgiving to Mike than music critics... Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Its been a long time coming and | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | its good to be back | | yen@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca | (Change II, The Alarm) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================= From: Gary@alarmpo.demon.co.uk (Gary Freedman) Organization: AlarMPO [editorial: wins my award for the best demon name SV] Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest This message is particularly directed at Steve Fulton. >>Mike is in New York finalising everything for the US release and tour. >I bet he is working on the WWW page as well, seeing as the guy who is >doing it is supposedly in New York... Steve ... I can firstly tell you that Mike has seen quite a few of your messages to this mailing list over the last couple of months, and he is astounded by your knowledge. However I must correct you on one thing, the person who is writing the WWW site is in England. The reason I know this is because it is me. I will pass on your feelings of despair regarding 'If I cant have you'. BTW what do you think of the Message being the second leading track in South Africa ?, and what does everyone think he should lead with in America?? -- Gary Freedman ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: U2 again OK, I admit it, I was trying to create some sort of firey discussion, I think it worked!! >The issue on the harmonica is silly, both are not ashamed to credit >harmonica from B Dylan and subsequently W Guthrie. No, not silly if you think about it. I'm coming from being purely an Alarm fan. I do not think that U2 barrowed the harmonica from The Alarm, but I did want to point out that The Alarm were doing acoustic, Dylan/Guthrie influenced stuff WAY before U2. I was trying to point out that The Alarm did it first, and were not copying U2 in any way. >I don't see much musical parallels between the WAR album and >for example "Declaration" or earlier Alarm stuff. The WAR album >is a typicall U2 record, which is musically not so far away >from "October" or "Boy". Take for example the typicall U2 guitar >or the drumming. The Alarm always had an more straight forward >rock sound, which I can't recognize on any U2 album. WAR has some straight ahead songs, but I think October's "Rejoice" is the most stright ahead song they ever did. I do want to point out one more thing. The Alarm played a tape of "Blaze Of Glory" for U2 and WBCN radio back in 1983. This supposedly influence U2 as well. Now, you can't tell me that some of the U2 doesn't sound similar to "Blaze Of Glory". At leat lyrically and Rhythm-wise. >So as a conclusion, I don't think The Alarm is a copy of U2 and vice >versa. Right, they barrowed from each other. I mean, Mike Peters does do a lot of Bono-isms when he sings...on the song "Firing Line" he sounds just like him. And Mike really liked the way Bono would go into the adoring auidence, and he incorporated that into Alarm shows as well. >U2's new direction I ceratinly hope Zooropa was just a diversion and they'll come back with some good rock songs next... -Steve Fulton PS: I promise to never speak about U2 again!!! ========================================================== From: Big Boss list manager Steve :-) Subject: Problems again! My Macintosh machine died today, and I'm back to using a dumb terminal! I hope to have things working fully again in a couple of days. My mail is still getting through but I cant acess any messages received before Thursday. If they weren't on the list then I still should get them back eventually. The list should continue as normal except that I may be quieter than usual as its not easy to work like this. So the bottom line is the list should continue but it might look a bit messy for a few days. Steve. ps can Steve Fulton and Gary Freedman email me please; its much easier on this thing to reply than to post a new message. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon May 22 17:41:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sDYer-0000ZQC; Mon, 22 May 95 17:40 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 22 May 1995 15:40:33 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:35:16 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest the ideas of Change B-Sides album. B-sides and rarities album Alarm goes Folk Saw Doctors prize draw and the Gathering. FAQ ============================================== From: PierreTen@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Hi Everyone, Spent the day with Mike on Wednesday in New York City. Things are happening fast and furiously. Alot of exciting stuff in the works, but nothing definite, so I won't say until it's confirmed. He showed me the artwork for the USA release of the album, it looks really good. What I can say is that he will be in the USA touring for quite a while. Also, the record company has some great ideas (including possibly a radio contest to win a trip to the next Gathering) , and they are planning on heavy promotion. The woman who will be in charge of the promotion, has Michael Jackson's album promotion to her credit , so we are talking experience. Mike is very excited to get things going in America, and there will be more touring in the UK when he gets back. So we are all in for some great times over the next 6 months or so. I anyone has America On Line or can get it, I've arranged for Mike to be on Center Stage, no date has been picked yet, but it will be this Summer, I will of course keep you "posted". Love and Peace, Don ========================================================= From: Richard Yen Subject: the ideas of Change Steve Fulton asked for our comments on Change: Well, I think that the ideas of the Change album are embodied in the song Change I. I know it wasn't a song on the album, but it was there in the lyric booklet as a poem. It alludes quite clearly to the evils of industrialisation, such as abandonment of social values and traditions, depopulation of small towns and villages, overpopulation in urban centres and economic dependance on uncaring mega corporations. In this respect, I feel that the ideas of Change are really reflected in "A New South Wales", although its sound doesn't exactly match the rest of the album. Other songs that come to mind are, as Steve mentioned, "Hardland", "Rivers to Cross", and "Where a Town Once Stood". Richard ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: B-Sides album. Does anyone know anything about the b-sides album? Has Mike decided on the tracks? Were any of ther other band members involved? Does anyone realize how good a struickly b-sides album would be? If they take ONLY b-sides to singles (not covers or live versions), I think they could fill up one CD and it would be just about the best Alarm CD ever made. The song list in order of appearnce would be: (Unsafe Building is listed here because it still has not been officially released in the USA in CD format) Unsafe Building,Up For Murder,Across The Border,Lie Of The Land, For Freedom,Thoughts Of A Youngman,Pavilon Steps,What Kind Of Hell,Second Generation,Reason 41,Bells Of Rhymney,Reason 36, Room At The Top, Majority,Caroline Isenberg,Unbreak The Promise,Rose Beyond The Wall, Time To Believe,My Land Your Land,Elders And Folklore,Corridors Of Power,Firing Line,Breaking Point,Change I Of course, I would add a few demos, and substitute the demo of "What Kind Of Hell" for the b-side version, but other than that, I think this wouild be a good CD... -Steve Fulton ========================================================= Subject: B-sides and rarities album From: Juergen Gizzi I don't know, if someone already mentioned the alternative version of "Only the thunder". I'm talking about the acoustic thing with the different lyrics, played sometimes in 1984 on the "Declaration Tour". That should also be on the album, if it is available. Juergen ========================================================= Subject: Alarm goes Folk From: Juergen Gizzi >Do you guys think it was a gradual change, or >that during the semi-turmaoil between "Strenght" and "Eye of The >Hurricane" sonthing drastic happened? Difficult Question. In my opinion, it wasn't a gradual change. When I think about "Strength" and the following tour, there weren't obvious signs for "The Alarm going Folk". Perhaps they wanted to do something different from "Strength", you know, not a "Strength PartII" thing. The Electric Folklore album sounded to me a little bit like an experiment. There are some weak songs on it in my opinion, for example "Presence of Love". I also think the following tour, except the British part of it, lacked a lot of the power of the "Strength" tour. Juergen ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Saw Doctors prize draw and the Gathering. My friend Mark won a free CD in the prize draw held during the Saw Doctors tour. He isn't too impressed though as he doesn't even like the SD. :-) Myself I'll just be content to win the free tickets to the Gathering! On that subject somebody emailed me asking what the Gathering was (another message still stuck on my dead Macintosh). The Gathering is an annual get-together of the Mike Peters fan base. It usually consists of two concerts, a film show, and a football tournament and has been held in Mike's home town of Rhyl. This year it may be somewhere else in N. Wales to allow more people to get tickets. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: FAQ I hope to post the first draft of the FAQ this week. Any comments on it will be noted. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 23 11:59:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sDpnt-0000ZUC; Tue, 23 May 95 11:59 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:59:02 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:59:00 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: faq ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@ncl.ac.uk Subject: faq The Alarm - Frequently Asked Questions. 1. Who are/were The Alarm? Mike Peters: Vocals, guitars, harmonica. Born: 25-2-59 Dave Sharp: Guitars, vocals. Born: 28-1-59 Eddie MacDonald: Bass, keyboards, guitars, vocals. Born: 1-11-59 Nigel Twist: Drums, percussion, flageolet, vocals. Born: 18-7-58 2. Were they in any bands before The Alarm? Mike and Twist formed a punk band in 1977 called "The Toilets". They did several gigs including support slots for both "The Clash" and "Buzzcocks". As with all good punk bands they split before having any great success. The Toilets were re-created in 1992 by Mike for a one-off performance at the first MPO Gathering weekend. (see section 5) Mike, Dave, Eddie and Twist (then known as Nigel Buckle) first played together in 1979 as a Mod band called "Seventeen". They got as far as releasing a single entitled "Don't Let Go/Bank Holiday Weekend", but the band also split in December 1980. 3. When did they become The Alarm? A Brief History of The Alarm: In June 1981, after some time apart, Mike, Dave, Eddie and Twist formed a band together again. They named themselves "The Alarm" after the first song that Mike wrote called "Alarm Alarm" and played their first gig as The Alarm on July 10th 1981 in Prestatyn, North Wales. By November the band were ready to release their first single on their own "White Cross" label. It consisted of the two songs; Mike and Eddie's "Unsafe Building", and Dave's "Up For Murder". At this point they got their first of many support slots for "U2". Almost a year later, and after more prestigious support performances, they signed a contract with "Illegal/IRS" records. Two more singles were released, then finally on February 17th 1984 they released their first album - Declaration. This was a hit on both sides of the Atlantic. From then on their success grew from year to year, not only due to their recorded material, but perhaps more to their non stop touring schedules. They fast picked up the reputation as a band that had to be seen live. After a gap of twenty months the second album, Strength, was released in 1985. More touring, and almost a full year away from the UK in 1986 saw The Alarm's popularity soar in North America, continue to grow in Europe, and even hit the Far East with the first Japanese tour. 1986 also saw a support slot for Queen at Wembley Stadium, and the free concert at UCLA that was shown via MTV all round the world. The only major omission was the UK, where only a half hour highlights show was broadcast late at night, and several months later! The show was later released on the Spirit Of '86 video. 1987 saw the release of the next album, Eye Of The Hurricane, and at last Dave put One Step Closer To Home on to an Alarm album. This song had long since become a live favourite, but the band had never quite been able to get the song right in the studio. Needless to say more touring followed, but this time something new reared its head; rumours of a split in the band. The denial of these rumours was accompanied in 1988 with the Electric Folklore Live album. In 1989 The Alarm made history by releasing the Change and Newid albums. No Welsh band had simultaniously released an album in both the English and Welsh languages. About this time manager Ian Wilson had also been sacked, and replaced by Bob Dylan's manager. This earned the band another prestigious support slot and Bob also joined them on stage for a version of "Knockin' On Heavens Door" - another live favourite. Another tour followed, and in 1990 a "best of" album named Standards was released which included new versions of the fisrt two Alarm songs, Unsafe Building and Up For Murder. In early 1991 the Raw album was released. By this stage the rift within the band was begining to become obvious. Instead of Alarm songs they were very much Dave or Mike and Eddie songs. During the last show of the Raw tour, Brixton Academy, June 30th 1991, (which was also being filmed for the Blaze Of Glory video) Mike announced from the stage that he was leaving the band. Dave, Eddie and Twist tried for a little while to continue and find a replacement for Mike, but what they had was very much the combination of the four members, so it never happened; the ten years of The Alarm were over. 4. Why did they split up? When Mike anounced on stage that he was leaving the band it was as much a surprise for the other three members as it was for the audience. There have been several theories put about as to why the band split up, and the following comes from various conversations with fans and Mike and Dave. Since this part of the FAQ is largely conjecture I am open to any other offers, but I would like to keep things more towards the facts than rumour. Mike has said that he was begining to feel trapped by the structure of the band since it had been the same for ten years. He didn't feel that he could express himself the way that he wanted to anymore. He wanted more freedom to write the music in his head, but the within the band he could no longer have that. Mike had obviously changed as a person; the thoughts of a married man will always be different to those of a teenager. About the time of the split, Mike had also suffered a great deal of personal tragedy with his father having just died, and his sister suffering from a serious illness. He needed time to sort his own feelings and life out. Dave also was moving in different musical directions, and felt the need to front the band more with his music. Perhaps the end came at the right time, and The Alarm never became an a bunch of old men being laughed at for never moving on! 5. What are the latest activities of the members? Mike Peters formed a new band called the Poets of Justice in 1992 and toured extensively during that year. The band went through a line up change in 1993, and started working under the name Mike Peters and the Poets. 1994 saw the release of two singles, then Mike's debut solo album Breathe; again touring extensicely. Mike Peters records for Crai records; here is their address: CRAI Canolfan Sain Llandwrog Caernarfon Gwynedd LL54 5TG Wales Tel: (01286) 831111 Fax: (01286)831497 To keep in touch with Mike Peters' latest activities write (or phone) to the Mike Peters Organisation; here is their address: MPO PO Box 709 Prestatyn Clwyd LL19 9YR Wales UK Tel: (01745) 888911 Fax: (01745) 888961 The MPO hold a weekend meeting for all fans once a year known as The Gathering. Details from the address above. Mike is currently sorting out the release of Breathe and touring outside the UK. A new album for early 1996 has been hinted at. Dave Sharp got together with the Barnstormers back in 1991 whilst in America. They recorded a CD called Hard Travellin' which was released about September of that year. He now lives in America and plays regularly at Travellers Folk Club on Thursday nights at the following address: The Dragon's Den (Can anyone confirm that Dave still plays here?) 435 Esplanade New Orleans USA Dave's second album is due for release in November 1995. Eddie MacDonald is living in the South of England and is still writing music. Nigel Twist moved to America and stopped playing drums. He now works as a District Attorney in the Los Angeles area. 6. Will they ever get together again? At the moment the only answer is no. Mike and Dave are very happy playing their own music, Twist has left the music business and Eddie doesn't seem to have any interest in the past either. Mike still plays Alarm songs on stage, even Dave's songs, and always says that he is proud to have been in the band. Dave doesn't play his old songs except on very rare occations. It looks very unlikely that things will change in the future and they will get back together. 7. What Alarm related resources are available on the Internet? There is an unofficial Alarm Mailing List run by Steve Varty. To join this list then send a message to the address with SUBSCRIBE as the subject to the following address: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk There is currently an unofficial Alarm page run by Mikko Hanninen the URL is: http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html Mike Peters has promised an official page and perhaps an emailing list soon. === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 23 18:45:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sDw8J-0000ZUC; Tue, 23 May 95 18:44 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:42:56 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 16:42:52 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: Ediebauer@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest I just wanted to respond to Juergen's comment about "Presence of Love" He said the song was weakxI think you must have your head twisted on backwardsxThat has to be one of their most inspiring and incredible songs ever writtenxFurthermore it is a song about Godxand some of really sank into the ispiration that song reflected...That song mirrors the very ideas in which many people believe in...For me personallyxI found the song to be a Favorite if not favorite song! So if that is a weak song then what is a strong song? === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed May 24 13:41:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sEDsf-0000ZaC; Wed, 24 May 95 13:41 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:41:09 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:41:06 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Solo projects Heads Screwed On EPs and Singles faq follow up questions ============================================== From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Subject: Solo projects Hey folks, I was wondering if anyone could give me a brief rundown of both Mike's and Dave's solo works. I'd like to know what they sound like basically. Are they radical departures or do they sound like extensions of their work within the Alarm? Am I correct in assuming that the only things that currently exist (solo-wise) are Dave's album, Mike's two singles, and Mike's album? Also, thanks to Steve for the FAQ. It answered quite a few questions that I would have wanted to ask, but decided to wait on. Is the Blaze of Glory video easily available in the US? I never knew it existed until the FAQ. I guess I kind of lost touch with the band until recently. However, I've started listening to them an awful lot again. I don't know how I've let these songs sit on the shelf gathering dust. (Well, it's because I don't play vinyl that often). I must get the early albums on CD. That's all for now.... Rich Boston Univ. P.S. Twist is a District Attorney?? Now that's interesting! ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Heads Screwed On You wrote: > >The Alarm Mailing List >====================== > >Today's Topics: > > Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > >I just wanted to respond to Juergen's comment about "Presence of Love" >He said the song was weakxI think you must have your head twisted on >backwardsxThat has to be one of their most inspiring and incredible Now let's not get too mean ok... >songs ever writtenxFurthermore it is a song about Godxand some of >really sank into >the ispiration that song reflected...That song mirrors the very ideas >in which many people believe in...For me personallyxI found the song to >be a Favorite if not favorite song! So if that is a weak song then what >is a strong song? That's all well and good, and well stated. For some people "Presence Of Love" is a great song. I like the lyrics, but musically I have to agree with Juergen. It is not one of my favorites. That is not to say that your opinion is wrong, but I do think that Jeurgen's head is probably well affixed to his neck, with eyes pointing out the same direction as his feet, the same as you. You know there is no definition if a "weak" or "strong" song. I think the strongest songs The Alarm ever wrote were "Pavilion Steps", "Only The Thunder", "One Step Closer To Home","Breaking Point", "Blaze Of Glory", and "The Wind Blows Away My Words", as well has "Hard Travellin'"by Dave Sharp and "A New Chapter","Who's Gonna Make The Peace", and"Beautiful Thing" by Mike Peters. Now, I know everyone here would agree or disagree with these choices, but to me they are the strongest songs. If you think "Presence Of Love" is, than that is great,but there is no definition, it is simply all opinion. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: JimRHansen@aol.com Subject: EPs and Singles Hi, I was reading the new Faq for the Alarm, and Declaration was mentioned as the first album, with a couple of singles released before it. How would you fit in the self-titled EP. This EP generated a lot of positive press in the US. That is why I bought it and how I got hooked on The Alarm. Should it deserve more of a mention? I also decided to check my EP's, 10 inch singles and regular singles. Is there a list somewhere of what has been released by the Alarm. This is what I have; 10 inch records "The Deceiver" B.W./Reason 41, Second Generation "Stregnth"The Chant Has Just Begun B.W. The Bells of Rhymney "Sixty-Eight Guns" B.W./ Thought of a Young Man "Spirit of 76", Where Were Hiding, Deeside B.W./ Knocking on Heavens Door 68 Guns Singles "Sixty-Eight Guns" B.W./ Pavilion Steps "Rain in the Summertime" B.W./Rose Beyond the Wall Double Single A "Absolute Reality" B.W./ Blaze of Glory B Room at the Top B.W./ Reason 36 Besides their full releases this is what I have on The Alarm. Most of my information about the group came from the releases that I have. That is why I am excited to be finally learning more about the band. They did hold my interest in the 80's. Too bad they didn't have computer newsgroups back then. Just read the new book "U2 at the End of the World." No mention of The Alarm, althouth the book is about the tour for Achtung Baby and Zooropa. There are so many ideas and influences contributing to U2 that The Alarm would have only played a very small part. I'm sure any contributions were mutually given. However I'm no expert. I had a friend that went to an Alarm/U2 and he raved about both bands. Have not seen either gtoup in concert. In fact the only concert I've been to in 10 years has been a Bruce Cockburn concert. I guess I've been more of a record collector than a concert goer, particulary since my interest in music is very different from my wife's. Jim Hansen ========================================================= From: Richard Yen Subject: faq follow up questions Nice start to the faq, I think. As with all good things, it leads to more questions: For the Alarm's last show at the Brixton Academy, it was mentioned that Eddie, Dave and the Twist were surprised by Mike's announcement. Was the video being shot just planned by them as a regular concert video as opposed to what it eventually became? As for the lineup of the Poets, Steve Fulton and Steve Varty have both mentioned the name Jess. Who is Jess in relation to the band? A few digests ago, someone asked about "the red splotchy" thing. Is this not a poppy? Was this chosen for its historical importance to the Commonwealth in remembering war dead and the horror of war? Or was it chosen for some other reason? Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Yen | Its been a long time coming and | | ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca | its good to be back | | yen@neptune.uqtr.uquebec.ca | (Change II, The Alarm) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed May 24 16:26:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sCVOc-0000ZPC; Fri, 19 May 95 19:59 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 19 May 1995 16:42:29 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:42:19 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: lead tracks in (North) America If I can't have U / Message Alarm ramblings for the day. ============================================== From: Neil Clopton Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > the "Knife Edge" single before, but I hadn't seen the "Spirit of '76 > two-pack". It had 5 songs across two 12" singles in a single foldout > package, mostly remixes. > > Is it worth a listen? Are any of you collectors looking for it? E-mail me > privately if you want details... If it's the one I'm thinking of it is actually all live cuts, including a really cool version of "Knocking On Heaven's Door." Mike introduces the song by saying "This is a song I taught Bono how to play" or somehting to that effect. These are my favorite Alarm live cuts! Buy it. Neil ========================================================= Subject: Re: lead tracks in (North) America Gary Freedman asked for input about which tracks should be the lead tracks in (North) [My Canadian nationalism kicking in again :-)] America: I take it then that the North American release of Breathe will include singles meant for airplay etc? If so, then I would think "A New Chapter" or "Back into the system" would be good. "A New Chapter" leads quite naturally into Mike's reasons for a solo career, which he'll have to mention quite often I'm sure. "Back into the system" also follows this theme somewhat, with the title at least. It also has a video produced already. Boy, can't wait to see it. Other than that, I'm not too sure what to suggest. Its been mentioned here before that the album was more of a work album than a singles album. So, nC&1m%@e@cEWU Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sEac0-0000YkC; Thu, 25 May 95 13:57 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:57:34 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:57:31 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: "Presence of Love" WWW Page announcement various (catching up!) Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest The way Mike And Dave Sound Blaze Of Glory Video Self Titled E.P. Poppy Release Dates Clarification Howlind Wind My ideal b sides album The Alarm list - Today's Digest FAQ ============================================== Subject: "Presence of Love" From: Juergen Gizzi "Weak" was meant in the musical sense. I was not talking about lyrics at all. Steve's question was about the changing style in music, and musically "Presence of Love" is weak in my opinion. So if that wasn't clear, I'm sorry. Juergen ========================================================= From: Mikko Hdnninen Subject: WWW Page announcement Thanks to Steve Fulton, I can now announce that the Alarm WWW Page features title logos. I'm actually quite proud of them, took me three hours of work! Not much else is new (compared to the time about a week or two ago when I added the pictures, etc.), though. I still have lots of material "on queue" waiting (more pictures, the faq, etc.), but I am very busy until the middle of next week, so there probably won't be additions until that time. -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ========================================================= Subject: various (catching up!) > Re: If I can't have U > > Steve Fulton mentioned that Mike shouldn't release If I can't have U as a > single in (North) America because of its similarity to Rain in the > Summertime. I agree, try Poetic, 21st C. or even Spiritual before IF I Cant... > > I will pass on your feelings of despair regarding 'If I cant have you'. > BTW what do you think of the Message being the second leading track in > South Africa ?, and what does everyone think he should lead with in > America?? > I like the idea of using The Message, but a new chapter with an old song? Will America buy it? I love the song but I don't want Mike to limit himself by risking a cover version as a single. > Re: U2 Don't worry too much; The Alarm were also ALWAYS compared to The Clash. Bankrobber - New South Wales. Of course they are the same song. Steve (He now of the old .sig!) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: neil-clopton@uiowa.edu (Neil Clopton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest >strongest songs. If you think "Presence Of Love" is, than that is >great,but there is no definition, it is simply all opinion. I think this is a good point. There are a thousand different measures one can use to judge a song, and we probably all prioritize them differently and apply them differently to different songs. I evaluate Dead Or Alive's dance tunes by different criteria than I apply to most Alarm tunes. On another tangent, I think a "weak" Alarm song, "My Land Your Land," for instance, beats the pants off some other bands' "strong" tunes (assuming for the moment that we have objective measures for such things--which we don't). >I was reading the new Faq for the Alarm, and Declaration was mentioned as >the first album, with a couple of singles released before it. How would you >fit in the self-titled EP. This EP generated a lot of positive press in the >US. That is why I bought it and how I got hooked on The Alarm. Should it >deserve more of a mention? IHMO, yes. But I also think it may mare played a very different role in the US, than the UK (was it a US only release?). This is some of my favorite Alarm material! >Have not seen either gtoup in concert. In fact the >only concert I've been to in 10 years has been a Bruce Cockburn concert. You could have made a worse choice! By the way, he bears certian strengths in common to The Alarm, IMHO. I also wouldn't be supprised to find that his religious beleifs are similar to Mike's. After all, they are both Chrisitans, and both swear on records from time to time...not that this is a rock solid theological indicator. Hey, don't we have at lest one member of the clergy here to address such questions? Neil _________________________________________________________ I'm a snake. I stand tall. I'm a snake. Watch me crawl. neil-clopton@uiowa.edu ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: The way Mike And Dave Sound Rich, from Boston University asked how Mike And Dave's solo material sounds. Dave: Dave's solo album sounds a lot like the songs he wrote for The Alarm. None of it sounds much like "One Step Cloer To Home" or Across The Broder" , but it does sound like most of the rest of Dave's songs. It is folky-Dyalnesque with a bit of rock-a-billy thrown in. Dave has also had a knack for writing interesting lyrics, and putting words together,and his new stuff is no exception. The stuff sounds like his old Alarm songs: Up For Murder, Reason 41, Reason 36,Change II, and "Wonderful World" pretty much show what Dave is all about. Dave's newer material (the stuff I heard in 1992) is far better than the songs he recorded on "Hard Travellin'". There is more of a rock feel to it, although it is still acoustic-folk type stuff. He seems to have addeda little Celtic influence, and dropped some of the rock-a-billy. This was in 1992 though, so that could have all changed by now!! Mike: Mike's stuff sounds a lot like The Alarm, but also a lot different. Mike really wanted to experiment, and it shows. He got tired of The Alarm recording their album "live" in the studio, and his solo stuff shows a lot of studio work. They are not over-produced however, but compared to the songs on "Raw" Mike's new stuff is polished clean. In some ways Mike's new material surpasses The Alarm. While the Alarm attempted to write a world shattering rock song with "Devolution Working Man Blues", "The Road" and "Raw", Mike seems to have succeeded with "Beautiful Thing". He also uses a lot of samples, and even tries to "rap", but it doesn't come off as bad as it might sound at first. He actually seems to have a knack for it. If you don't have it, Mike's new material is worth having. I personally think that the songs "A New Chapter" and "21st Century(demo)" from the "Back Into The System" CD single are some of his best, but others will strongly disagree. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Blaze Of Glory Video The "Blazed Of Glory" video is not easy to find. It never was. You can try to write to: Strand Home Video 3350 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA. 90405 They distributed it in the USA, IRS records had nothing to do with it. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Self Titled E.P. Jim Henson asked about The Alarm's self titled E.P.: The E.P never had an official release in the UK, but it was released in America. The singles that the FAQ refers to are "Unsafe Building" and "Marching On" I'm under the impression that the single for "The Stand" was released AFTER The Alarm came back to the UK after touring the United States for the first time. I say this because the b-sids of the UK single is a Live version of "Marching On" that I believe was recorded at the London Marquee, just before The Alarm left for the USA. The interesting thing about the E.P. is that IRS really rushed to put the thing together. The Alarm made it to America, and The E.P. came out at just about the same time. The band didn't even get any input into waht songs were put on it, but they were pleased with the way it turned out. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Poppy Richard Yen asked about The "the splotch". This is indeed a poppy. It was originally designed for Eddie's song "Third Light", but appeared for the first time on the Marching On 7". The band liked it both because it looked really cool, and because the Poppy is the "Flower of life". -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Release Dates Clarification I want to clarify some relase dates for the early Alarm singles: -January 30, 1983 The Alarm record their show at the London Marquee. -March 1983, The Alarm release "The Stand" singles in the UK -April 1983, The Alarm start their tour with U2 in the USA -April-May 1983, somewhere within these months "The Alarm" E.P/. was released in the USA -June 1983, The Stand 7" is released in the USA. I hope this helps. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= Subject: Howlind Wind Howling wind sounded different to the rest of Declaration because it was the first song totally written in the studio. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= Subject: My ideal b sides album Here's what I'd pick: Up For Murder (The original) Across The Border Lie Of The Land For Freedom (studio take if one exists) Thoughts Of A Youngman Second Generation Reason 41 Reason 36 Room At The Top Majority Unbreak The Promise My Land Your Land Elders And Folklore Breaking Point Change I The Chant Has Just Begun. > > Of course, I would add a few demos, and substitute the demo of "What > Kind Of Hell" for the b-side version, but other than that, I think this > wouild be a good CD... > Agreed. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > From: Ediebauer@aol.com > > I just wanted to respond to Juergen's comment about "Presence of Love" > He said the song was weakxI think you must have your head twisted on > backwardsxThat has to be one of their most inspiring and incredible songs > ever writtenxFurthermore it is a song about Godxand some of really sank into > the ispiration that song reflected...That song mirrors the very ideas in > which many people believe in...For me personallyxI found the song to be a > Favorite if not favorite song! So if that is a weak song then what is a > strong song? > I would also class PoL as one of the weaker songs musically not lyrically. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: FAQ To answer a few points made: I didn't mention the US Stand EP because I wanted to keep things brief. There is a very full dicography available too which explains all releases. I may change the MP part to include the "Jess" reference. I think I should include someting about the poppy. When the next version comes out I doubt I'll post it but it will be hopefully on the Web page. (How about it Mikko????) Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri May 26 14:41:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sExlk-0000YkC; Fri, 26 May 95 14:41 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:40:52 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:40:50 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Weak songs (or Am I unusual!) Howling Wind ============================================== Subject: Weak songs (or Am I unusual!) From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Niel Clopton said yesterday (again) that he thought My Land, Your Land was a weak song. Several other people have said the same thing before. I LOVE that song and hope so much that it will be available on CD soon. I also love White Noise by Mike, and seem to be the only person in the world who does. So, either I am totally insane, or everybody else in the world is! Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Howling Wind >>Howling Wind was the first song totally written in the studio Really!! That is very interesting. I would suppose that most of The Alarm's songs before that were written, demo-ed, played live, re-written, etc. I think "Strength" shows this growth. I believe most of that record was built up in the studio as well. I think Mike Howlett even rejected "One Step Closer To Home" (which was a mistake, I think the version with the whole band all the way through would have fit really well on strength. >>The Clash Yeah, and "Change I" sounds just like "Lost In The Supermarket"(or whatever it was called)! :) >>Comparisions What about these: Knife Edge: Like Baba O'riley Strength: Like U2 Spirit Of '76: Like Springsteen's "Jungle Land". Sold Me Down The River: Rolling Stones When it came to comparisions, The Alarm hardly ever got a break. I think the early U2/Clash comparisions started a trend in the press. It was almost like they tried to find a new comparision each time the band changed direction...then, when they finally thought they had shaken off the comparisons, the press would throwe U2 at them once more! -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue May 30 16:44:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sGRXI-0000ZMC; Tue, 30 May 95 16:40 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:38:57 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:38:52 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: More problems (none) One Step Closer... Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest clash/u2 WWW Page future plans "Sold Me Down The River" Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest "and it's good to be back." 2 questions and a comment ============================================== From: "Steve Varty" Subject: More problems My machine was repaired for 1/2 hour this morning then broke again. I found 1 back message that is here, but I'm going to have to manage like this for a little while longer. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: shaun bellingham Subject: (none) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I read with interest the section on Richard Yen's Demo 7". I would certainly like a copy of that myself! Richard, if you are reading this, please take pity on a man who has, I'm sure, a less interesting collection! I've also got a bootleg & I know nothing of it's origins.... Its a 7" with 4 tracks and a blank label. The sleeve appears to be cribbed from the Deceiver cover, and contains "The Alarm Performing as 17" on side A. & "The Alarm" on side B. A/ Don't let Go (Studio) Bank Holiday Weekend (Studio) B/ Marching On (1981 US Stereo FM Broacast) Howling Wind (1981 US Stereo FM Broacast) Cover By Red October. Does anyone else have this/know anything about it? As I don't have the 17 single, I don't know if these are the same versions......? Also, I posted a couple of weeks ago & stated I had a 1989 BBC Wales Alarm Documentary called Blaze of Glory. I think Steve said he would like a copy.... No problem, just give me a mailing address. I've now listed all of my Alarm collection, which I can post if required, but I definately have the following video's that I don't know, but don't believe (?!) are widely available: 1/Absolute Reality Promo Video (Rooftop in Winter) 2/A Compilation Video (created by an enthusiastic record company employee I imagine, but obviously for home use) that has 5 of the "Standards" Videos, Absolute Reality, A little more of the early Interviews with Mike & Dave just prior to The Stand video shoot. (as seen at the start of the Spirit of 86 video release) & Accoustic rooftop extracts of: Blaze of Glory & Knockin' On Heavens Door. 3/An entire French Concert from February 1986 recorded in Black & White. Unedited. I'm perfectly happy to share copies around & it would be nice If I could get hold of some of the peices I'm missing in the process............ specifically any TV performance (I know of Top of the Pops 68 Guns, & Wogan (!) New South Wales). Also ANY radio sessions/interviews - unfortunately I have not a one! I've also looked at the WWW & have studied the Dave Sharp lyrics with the help of my other half. We can fill in some of the gaps/question marks... Whats the best way of going about this? Shall I just post them to you Steve? A final thought ...... I'm hearing interesting things from within "the business" about this proposal for a reformation to promote the new album......... but I'm not going to tell you what they are for fear of being burned alive should I have been misled! Just keep your fingers crossed though.............. (Sorry I couldn't resist adding more fuel to the fire, it's such a great idea!) Gary Overington Worthing Sussex Subject - Spare Copies: Unlikely I know, but is anyone still looking for: ALARM :- US Promo CD Single "Happy Christmas" DPRO67040 US Promo CD Single "Sold Me Down the River" IRSD0010 (Die-Cut Folding Sleeve) 10" White Vinyl "A New South Wales" EIRSTEN129 If so, get in touch - I've some spare (unplayed) copies. I also have a number of the "Standards" Album Advertising Poster (Approx) 3*2 feet if anyone feels the need. I can generally get my hands on a few (unplayed) 7", 12" & LP's if anyone is still looking for them. No Promo's though. I'll list them if there is an interest........ Just trying to help! Gary Worthing Sussex Bank Holiday Weekend (Studio) B/ Marching On (1981 US Stereo FM Broacast) Howling Wind (1981 US Stereo FM Broac Does anyone else have this/know anything about it? As I don't have the 17 single, I don't know -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================= >From Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Fri May 26 16:22:24 1995 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by newton.ncl.ac.uk; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:22:21 +0100 Received: from burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:22:19 +0100 From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Received: from eata.ncl.ac.uk (eata.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.2.18]) by burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10-cf revision 2 for Solaris 2.x) with ESMTP id QAA01885; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:22:19 +0100 Received: (nsv@localhost) by eata.ncl.ac.uk (8.6.11/8.6.10-cf revision 1 for SunOS 4.1.x) id QAA14955; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:22:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199505261522.QAA14955@eata.ncl.ac.uk> Subject: One Step Closer... To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:22:16 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 588 Status: OR Steve Fulton talked about the above song being rejected for the Strength album: The story I always heard was that Dave never had a recording of the song that he was happy with, and that if it didn't make EotH then it would never have made it to record. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: Mikko Hdnninen Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Steve Varty wrote: > I didn't mention the US Stand EP because I wanted to keep things brief. There > is a very full dicography available too which explains all releases. Well, the point of a FAQ is not to keep things brief, but to answer all frequent questions. So I don't think there should be anything left out, if there is significant interest for it. Or at least include references to the other works, if information is available elsewhere.. Hmm, how about include a list of all the compiled files available also in the "net resources" part? > I think I should include someting about the poppy. A good idea. :) > When the next version comes out I doubt I'll post it but it will be hopefully > on the Web page. (How about it Mikko????) Sure, just email it to me, and I'll put it up, sooner or later. I'll put the current version of the "new" FAQ up right after I finish reading emails now. > Steve. -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ========================================================= Subject: clash/u2 From: ryen@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> I think that one of the problems with the comparisons of the Alarm to the Clash and U2 was that the people talking about the similarities never really knew the Clash or U2's sound or the Alarm's for that matter. Let's face it, if we tried hard enough, we could find a couple of songs from each band that sound like those of the other bands. The problem of course is that many critics were too lazy to dig beyond these initial comparisons. Since these are the only songs which the critics listen to, then we can understand their ideas. Richard ========================================================= From: Mikko Hdnninen Subject: WWW Page future plans This isn't related directly to MP or the Alarm, it's just ramblings about the WWW page. Sorry if you're not interested in that, you can then just skip to the next message. :) I recently thought about the future of the Web Page, and what I'd like to add to it in the future. Here's what I came up with, I'm writing it to the list so you see it too. And more importantly, give me ideas and comments what you think I should do! You can email the comments directly to me (wiz@nova.hut.fi) if you think they are out-of-place in the mailing list.. I started by browsing other fan pages for different bands, and looked at their contents. Things I had missing: 1. Tour dates. This isn't a big surprise, really. :) And since the MPO page will take care of those when there will be some, it's unlikely there will ever be any anymore, except perhaps mirrored from the MPO Web Site. Time will tell. 2. Links to other, "related" bands. For this especially I'd like recommendations. What other bands could people find interesting if they like the Alarm? U2 (especially the earlier stuff) is an obvious choice, but others? 3. Lots of pictures. This isn't a problem, really, just a question of time, since Steve Fulton has graciosly promised to help with this. :-) 4. A link to our own alt.music.alarm (or something like that) newsgroup. I don't think one will come about, soon anyway, since the mailing list is quite adequate to our needs. 5. Lyrics. Well, these are actually quite easy to come come up with, they only need the work for someone to type them up. I don't have time for that, though. Something I want to do was a page listing all the albums (and perhaps some other major releases, like the Spirit of '86 video?), with contents. I know these are (should be?) listed in the discography, but I think they should have a place on their own, with perhaps the album cover as a picture beside the text. Steve Fulton came up with also adding album notes, press releases, reviews, and the band's own comments about each album too. I think this is a great idea, as I'm sure there are lots of people who haven't read that material before. So, comments? -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ========================================================= From: neil-clopton@uiowa.edu (Neil Clopton) Subject: "Sold Me Down The River" I have a question about "Sold Me Down The River." In the US, the phrase has its origin in the slave trade. The general trend was that in the deeper South (down the Mississippi River) slaves were treated more harshly than in the upper (northern) south. To sell a slave "down the river" was to condem that slave to more beatings and perhaps an earlier death. I was surprised to see a song come out of England of this tittle because I figured "selling" someone "down the river" was a striclty yank expression. If I remember correctly, the sticker on my long-gone promo 12" of "Sold Me Down The River" said "If you've ever loved and lost play this song loud now!" or something to that effect. Can somebody more intimately familiar with the song clairify the connections and meanings here for me? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- "Whoever does not wish to sink in the wretchedness of the finite is constrained in the most profound sense to struggle with the infinite." Soren Kierkegaard neil-clopton@uiowa.edu ========================================================= Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest From: Juergen Gizzi >Knife Edge: Like Baba O'riley Well, the middle section of "Where were you hiding" played in Chicago '87 reminds me very much of the middle section from "Won't get fooled again" I guess "The Who" had a big influence on the Alarm -> they did covers of "A legal matter", "Pinball Wizard" or "My Generation". >Strength: Like U2 very "U2ish", but different styles in drumming and bass guitar. >Spirit Of '76: Like Springsteen's "Jungle Land". I think, "Spirit" has this kind of "British" sound, no American ever will be able to do. >Sold Me Down The River: Rolling Stones Which track do you mean in particular? Juergen =================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: "and it's good to be back." Date sent: 30-MAY-1995 10:03:11 Having finished ploughing through my 843 email messages from the past 3 weeks - and read the Alarm digests with relish - I'm now posting a few thoughts to this list. My 3 weeks off gave me plenty of opportunity to listen to The Alarm's, Mike's and Dave's albums - in particular Dave's. Hard Travellin' sure is one hell of an album, showing just how powerful a songwriter Dave is - I even got to appreciate the song Joey The Jone! Dave's songs are never as immediate as Mike's, yet give them a couple of plays and they sure grow on you. IMHO Mike should listen to the acoustic side of Hard Travellin' and try and pick up a few tips. Breathe - The Acoustic Sessions just doesn't do Mike justice - now if it had been like the acoustic version of Abs. Real. .... Sorry to here that the list will be down during June - maybe everyone else on the list should take the same weeks off - I know I'll find the days dragging by. >From listening to the MPO answerphone yesterday - Breathe - The Acou... has had a review in Q magazine - has anyone read it? Unfortunately my daughter takes up far too much time to nip to the paper shop. >From a digest a couple of weeks ago concerning Man United - what a shame, no trophies this year, oh dear I'm heartbroken - actually Mike supporting M. Utd is the only downside to liking the bloke - and when he credited them on Breathe... well I almost threw the album in the bin ;) Does anyone own the limited edition single 68 Guns with free cassette? I recently bought a copy thh Record Collector - and I want to know if it is genuine. Th cassette is significantly different from the impost copy I own (slightly different sleeve, 5 songs on both sides of cassette) - but I though that the catalogue number was different (PFPC) and was there a sticker on the sleeve? Any info would be appreciated. Later Stephen (an avid Liverpool supporter) "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ =================================================== From: JimRHansen@aol.com Subject: 2 questions and a comment Quick Question: I have Mike Peter's "Breathe". A song is listed as "The Message", however a couple of times I've seen it referred to as 'The Mess-Age." Which is correct? Is there something I am missing that was discussed here before. By way, I have enjoyed the discussion in this group even if it is somewhat limited at this point. I became an Alarm fan after buying the Alarm self-titled EP when it first came out. I bought their albums, CD's, and extended singles as they were released and always listed them among my favorite groups. The past month I've had a resurgent interest and bought "Raw", "Electric Folklore Live", and "Breathe." to complete my collection. I guess interest waned for a while! The songs that I really connect with now are "Into the 21st Century", "The Message" or is it "Mess-Age" and "Rescue Me" on EFL particularly where Mike Peters is talking over the drums at the end. I like the lines, that Steve Varty quotes, "I'm bitter, I'm twisted, I'm cynical me." Hey, I'm a schoolteacher and this has been a demanding year, Summer is coming. The politicking within the school system, the church I'd been involved with, and politics in general have left me soured and in need of rejuvination. Summer Vacation here I come! I teach grade 4 (10 year olds) and they are not the "sweet and innocent children" that I think they should be. It's not their fault though, it's the adults who dump on them. Can't you tell it"s been a bad day? I just don't wan't this 21st century attitude!!!! Another quick question: Does anyone think The Alarm turned off some potential fans early in their career with their silly hairstyles such as on "Declaration?" Jim Hansen === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed May 31 18:25:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sGpe3-0000YkC; Wed, 31 May 95 18:25 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:24:23 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:24:19 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Bootleg 7" Bootleg Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest One Step Closer... Various ============================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Bootleg 7" Date sent: 30-MAY-1995 15:02:56 I have both the '17' bootleg and the What King of Hell bootleg. Of the former - the songs on the b-side are actually from a later concert than that stated (I think it is the Spirit Of '86 concert but I may be wrong) - the 17 tracks are a bit crackly compared to the original single. The WKOH bootleg is by far the most interesting - with different versions on the songs then those released commercially. It is a very raw sound and I would be interested to know where it was recorded. Gary in Worthing - I wouldnt mind a copy of the Standards poster. My address is 5 Clowser Close, Watergardens, Sutton, Surrey SM1 4TP. And maybe copies of the videos. There is a major record fair in a couple of weeks that I will be attending. If anybody would like me to look out for any particular items (e.g. the above bootlegs) then drop me an email - I'm sure we can work something out regarding payment (trades probably best for overseas). Steve F. Do you still want me to look out for the Spirit Of '76 promo pack? Stephen D "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Bootleg Shaun Bellingham said: >>I have a bootleg and I know nothing of it's origins I have the 7" as well. I don't think the band had anything to do with it, for this simple reason: The versions of "Howling Wind" and "Marching On" are from the April 12th, 1986 Alarm show at UCLA. It is easy to tell because the quality of the songs is awful... That's all I know... -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Juergen Gizzi wrote: >>Knife Edge: Like Baba O'riley >Well, the middle section of "Where were you hiding" played in Chicago >'87 reminds me very much of the middle section from "Won't get fooled >again I guess "The Who" had a big influence on the Alarm -> they did > >covers of "A legal matter", "Pinball Wizard" or "My Generation". >>Strength: Like U2 very "U2ish", but different styles in drumming and >bass guitar. Spirit Of '76: Like Springsteen's "Jungle Land". >I think, "Spirit" has this kind of "British" sound, no American ever >will be able to do. Sold Me Down The River: Rolling Stones >Which track do you mean in particular? Jeurgen, First of all, I have to say that I didn't make up those comparisions, those were ones that I have read about. The Chicago Vic version of Knife Edge is REALLY good (of course, that whole live record is great and ahould have been released instead of Electric Folklore, but that is a different story al together) I agree about Spirit Of' 76. I think it sounds VERY American, but British as well. It got some airplay here on ROCK stations, and a little on Alternative stations, but the problem with the song was that it was just too good. It was not JUST a rock song, or JUST an alternative song, so it really couldn't be programmed here, and it got lost in the shuffle. The song really should be a classic, but alas, it remains as one of the great, lost rock and roll records of all-time. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: One Step Closer... Steve Varty wrote: >Steve Fulton talked about the above song being rejected for the >Strength album: >The story I always heard was that Dave never had a recording of the >song that he was happy with, and that if it didn't make EotH then it >would never have made it to record. Sorry Steve, and to the rest of you. Sometimes I go off on tagents, and that was one of them. The fact is, Mike Howlett did reject a "stack" of songs (according to Mike Peters), but whether or not "One Step Closer To Home" was one of them, I don't know. I should have just kept quiet instead of speculating. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Various > > the gaps/question marks... Whats the best way of going about > this? Shall I just post them to you Steve? > If you want to do that then its fine by me. > > Well, the point of a FAQ is not to keep things brief, but to answer all > frequent questions. So I don't think there should be anything left out, > if there is significant interest for it. Or at least include references > to the other works, if information is available elsewhere.. > I prefer the last option. > Hmm, how about include a list of all the compiled files available also > in the "net resources" part? > OK, but I cant keep too up to date at the moment. > Sorry to here that the list will be down during June - maybe everyone else > on the list should take the same weeks off - I know I'll find the days > dragging by. > I'm only needing a holiday because you have all kept me so busy. :-) > > >From listening to the MPO answerphone yesterday - Breathe - The Acou... > has had a review in Q magazine - has anyone read it? Unfortunately my > daughter takes up far too much time to nip to the paper shop. > Yes, its quite a good review. There is also a picture of Seventeen inthe same issue. > Does anyone own the limited edition single 68 Guns with free cassette? > I recently bought a copy thh Record Collector - and I want to know > if it is genuine. Th cassette is significantly different from the > impost copy I own (slightly different sleeve, 5 songs on both sides of > cassette) - but I though that the catalogue number was different (PFPC) > and was there a sticker on the sleeve? Any info would be appreciated. > The cover is black, with the Alarm EP cover picture taking about 2/3 of the front. It has 5 songs repeated on both sides and the number is CS70504. The single has a sticker on it too. > Quick Question: > I have Mike Peter's "Breathe". A song is listed as "The Message", however a > couple of times I've seen it referred to as 'The Mess-Age." Which is correct? Mike introduces the song as The Mess-Age. > Does anyone think The Alarm turned off some potential fans early in their > career with their silly hairstyles such as on "Declaration?" No (says Steve who at the time had a hairstyle like Eddies on Declaration!) Steve. ps Dont forget Monday will be the last digest until June 22nd at least. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Jun 1 14:25:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sH8MV-0000YkC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:24 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:23:51 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:23:49 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Origins of What Kind Of Hell Bootleg??? ============================================== From: Bobby Hutchins <74431.247@compuserve.com> Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Well, as the resident minister on this digest, I would like to self appoint myself as the Alarm Digest Chaplain. Having also been in a few bands in the past, (with a definite Alarm influence), and currently working on a project with my wife, music and Christianity has been a major part of my life. Having said this, I would like to open a discussion regarding various Alarm songs that have obvious biblical overtones. I would like to know which songs really stick out in your mind, what they have meant to you, and why you think they were written. This morning I was listening to Declaration and a couple of tunes struck me. "Shout to the Devil"- obvious reference to Romans 3:23 " for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Mike sings, "For we all fall short of the glory my friend, even all the kings horses and all the kings businessmen" In the same song he ends with "this train is bound for glory" "The Deceiver"- 2 John 1:7 " Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist." In addition, the song ends with Mike singing Matthew 16:26 "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" Just a couple that come to mind off of Declaration. I hope I am not opening a can of worms, but it would be ashame to overlook a major influence and aspect of the band. I look forward to discussing other songs from various albums. I haven't been able to get a hold of Breathe here in the US, but I am sure there is the same influences and references on the recording. I look forward to hearing it. Bob Hutchins ><> ========================================================== From: gelbin hossler Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Hey, if the list will be ending soon for a while, especially witht he approaching US tour, can someone give me the full set of addresses for Web info: alarm sie (site) MPO site and if someone can keep me posted personally if they catch wind of tour dates, i would reall appreciate it. these things can be mailed to me personally. ctn2d@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu thanks chris ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Origins of What Kind Of Hell Bootleg??? >- the 17 tracks are a bit crackly compared to the original single. The >WKOH bootleg is by far the most interesting - with different versions >on the songs then those released commercially. It is a very raw sound >and I would be interested to know where it was recorded. I was reading through some of stacks of Alarm-related material in my bedroom, and I came across the following in the press-kit for Strength: "*Summer 1982 -First Britsh college dates coincide with abortive recording session with Bram Tchaikovsky as fledgling Prodcucer. 1982 is roughly the year I would say that the "What Kind Of Hell" bootleg was recorded, simply from the mix of songs on the record. I've never heard anything about these "recording sessions", but this may be what the bootleg is from. Does anyone else know anything about this? -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Jun 2 11:21:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sHRz7-0000YkC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:21 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:21:33 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:21:31 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Tour Info While the list is down Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Mikes current tour + my hols Biblical lyrics Electric Folklore live ============================================== From: johnpm@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (John P. Marple) Subject: Tour Info While the list is down > > From: gelbin hossler > Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > > > Hey, > if the list will be ending soon for a while, especially witht he > approaching US tour, can someone give me the full set of > addresses for Web info: > alarm sie > (site) > MPO site > > and if someone can keep me posted personally if they catch wind > of tour dates, i would reall appreciate it. > > > these things can be mailed to me personally. > > ctn2d@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu > > thanks > chris > > ========================================================= Maybe the tour info could be put on the Alarm web site too if it isn't already! I too want to see MPO in the states. (hopefully Baltimore/Washington/Philly area ) ;) JP ========================================================= Subject: Mikes current tour + my hols Since Mike is supporting the Stranglers from tonight, is anybody going to any of the gigs? If so tell him I'm with him in spirit if not body this time. :-) Gary Freedman is hoping to keep everyone up to date with Mikes US tour plans over the next 3 weeks. Lets have a bit hand for Gary Steve. ps You did mean it Gary, didn't you? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Biblical lyrics >Having said this, I would like to open a discussion regarding various >Alarm songs that have obvious biblical overtones. I would like to know >which songs really stick out in your mind, what they have meant to you, >and why you think they were written. I think this is a fine idea. >"Shout to the Devil"- obvious reference to Romans 3:23 " for all have The list line SUNG in "Shout To The Devil" is "Teach Them!", but in the lyrics it is "It is Finished". Aren't those, at least according to one of the gospels, Christ's last woord on the cross? That is personal favorite. Then their is all that stuff on Eye Of The Hurricane. The lyrics are so strange, but they are jam-packed with imagery. My favorite use of biblical imagery in an Alarm-related song is in Dave Sharp's "Joey The Jone". The line goes something like "Crowds are a danger, you see it every time they meet" "You might recall that Jesus was nailed by a crowd gathered in the street" "But if it's a question of justice, look him straight in the eye" "Say 'Who did the hanin', who did the swingin' and who was it for that he died'" Sharp is juxta-posing the situation in the song (the near riot) with biblical imagery. He does it really well. I mean, it starts out as a straight biblical reference, but then then becomes a comment on what happned then, and what is happening now (in the song). I'd just like to add, that I think Dave Sharp is an EXCEPTIONAl lyric writer. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: Richard Yen Subject: Electric Folklore live Steve F. mentioned how he felt that the Chicago show would have made a better live album than the one released as EFL. I agree with this wholeheartedly, and wished that EFL was more than just 6 songs. Were these songs just 6 individual tracks chosen from different concerts or were they taken from one single show? If so, which show, if anyone knows. Richard === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Jun 5 12:36:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sIYZr-0000ZVC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:36 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 10:36:04 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 10:36:01 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Sign off for now. Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Questions about Change Electric Folkore Live Q review Re: WWW Page future plans Blaze of Glory video Q Review Debate ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Sign off for now. Hello and goodbye (for now). This is the last digest for a couple of weeks or so. I expect to be back at work two weeks from this Friday (does that make sense?) so keep the postings coming, and I'll try to get a few digests out then. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > The Alarm Mailing List > > if the list will be ending soon for a while, especially witht he > > approaching US tour, can someone give me the full set of > > addresses for Web info: > > alarm site > > MPO site The Alarm Web Home is at the URL: http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html The MPO site is not yet up, to my knowledge. A link there will be included in the MP page as soon as I get to know about it.. > Maybe the tour info could be put on the Alarm web site too if > it isn't already! I too want to see MPO in the states. (hopefully > Baltimore/Washington/Philly area ) ;) If I get any tour info, I'll naturally put it to the page. So far I've heard nothing. > Gary Freedman is hoping to keep everyone up to date with Mikes US tour plans > over the next 3 weeks. Lets have a bit hand for Gary > > Steve. I could _perhaps_ set up an alternative mailing list while Steve Varty is away.. Should I look into this? -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ========================================================= From: Mikko Hdnninen Subject: Questions about Change I have a couple of questions about the Change album. First, the song _A New South Wales_, the liner notes say it was recorded at BBC Wales Cardiff with the Morriston Orpheus Male Voice Choir and members of the Welsh Symphony Orchestra. It's obviously a live performance, but was this done on the sole purpose of recording the song, or was it done in some concert? Does anyone know? Second, about the poem (text, whatever) included in the liner notes too. Is that an actual poem or lyrics to some song, or written only for the album? -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! ========================================================= Subject: Electric Folkore Live From: Juergen Gizzi >From: Richard Yen >Subject: Electric Folklore live >Steve F. mentioned how he felt that the Chicago show would have made a >better live album than the one released as EFL. I agree with this >wholeheartedly, and wished that EFL was more than just 6 songs. Were >these songs just 6 individual tracks chosen from different concerts or >were they taken from one single show? If so, which show, if anyone knows. All the songs are from Boston, Wang Center 26.04.88. The show was completely broadcast on radio, btw. Juergen ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Q review > > > Date sent: 2-JUN-1995 13:33:51 > > Just where is the Q review of Breathe - TAS? I've looked through the > > current issue cover-to-cover and cant find it. > > > > Stephen > > > Page 127, top left. (see also p48) > Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: Gladstone Subject: Re: WWW Page future plans > 2. Links to other, "related" bands. For this especially I'd like > recommendations. What other bands could people find interesting if > they like the Alarm? U2 (especially the earlier stuff) is an obvious > choice, but others? How about Big Country? I think they have a lot in common with the Alarm, both musically and lyrically. Both bands have tried to make music with a difference, and the things they write and sing about are things they believe in. --- Svein Borge Hjorthaug * mail sinsh@alf.uib.no Fantoft Studentby B235 * IRC nick Gladstone 5036 FANTOFT, NORWAY * phone 55 27 61 79 Linus: I guess it's wrong always to be worrying about tomorrow. Maybe we should think only about today. Charlie Brown: No, that's giving up. I'm still hoping that yesterday will get better. ========================================================= From: "Mickey \"Whose Name Was Writ In Water\" Moon" Subject: Blaze of Glory video I have the video. It didn't have Mike announcing that he will be leaving the band. All he said to the audience was that he was grateful for supporting him (not the band) for many years. Mickey Moon ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Q Review For everyone who hasn't seen it yet, here is the Q Magazine review of Mike Peters "Breathe - The Acoustic Sessions". Following swiftly on the heels of the English and Welsh language versions of the LP, come the modish Unplugged sessions. At one time Mike Peters was seconds away from being inducted into that portion of the Hall Of Fame earmarked for windswept Celtic rock'n roll visionaries when he knocked it on the head for The Alarm from the stage of Brixton Academy. Encumbered by the weight of expectaion and history, and motivated either by bravery or stupidity, Peters sallied forth and started all over again. He's shrugged off his critics with a nonchalant shrug, and his latest work is alive with the rediscovered zest and ambition of a man with his appetite for the fray fully restored. Stripped down to its elemental components, Breathe is more powerful again - the familiar recipe of pungent and poingent songs of love and protest given their head by the space of the arrangments and hungrily emoted vocals - great tunes too. *** (Three stars out of five) -Paul Davies -Steve Fulton ========================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Debate Just want to say that this list has been absolutely fantastic over the last few months. I went from thinking I was the last Alarm fan in the world, to rediscovering why I liked the band so much in the first place, and knowing that there were others like me as well. If anyone feels the desire to debate or discuss The Alarm while the list is off, feel free to write me at sfulton@ix.netcon.com. Cheers to you, Steve Varty, and I wish you a great vacation. -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Jun 5 16:53:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sIcat-0000ZVC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:53 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:53:25 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:53:23 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Stop Press. ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Stop Press. Mike is playing several UK acoustic solo dates in July. Phone the MPO: (01745) 888911 for full details. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Jun 23 17:00:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sP9Hb-000Cc7C; Fri, 23 Jun 95 17:00 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:59:34 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:59:31 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: I'm back. Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Re: WWW Page future plans Q Review ============================================== From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: I'm back. Subject says it all... btw we have several new members (Hello) so I've included the intro file. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ============================================================= From: "Steve Varty" Subject: Welcome to The Alarm Mailing List WELCOME TO THE ALARM MAILING LIST ================================= I would like to welcome you to The Alarm Mailing List, a list for discussion about the Welsh group The Alarm, and what happened to them after they split up! 1.) Address: If you wish to post an article to the list, then send it to me at: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk To join or leave this list then send a message to the same address with SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject and I will do the rest. If you have already contacted me stating that you wish to join the list, then a SUBSRIBE message will not be needed. Please e-mail me once you have received your first digest so that I know all is well! 2.) Information about the list This is a moderated list, and will come out in digest form. As most of the work needed to run this list will be done by hand, it will not be as fast as some lists, but I hope to send at least one digest per day. There is very little information sent over the Usenet groups about what happened to the various members of the band after they split up, so I hope to solve that with this list. The more posts I get, the more regular the digest becomes! If you wish to reply to a post in the digest it is helpful if you can change the subject field in the header to something relevant. 3.) FAQ and Discography I am finally working on a FAQ file. I have several lists of questions which I hope to be able to answer but even I don't know them all! All contributions will be greatfully received (answers in particular!) This will therefore be an on-going project. A very full discography is available, but it may take me some ] time to reply to a request if my work load is high. 4.) World Wide Web pages There is currently an unofficial Alarm page ran by Mikko Hanninen the URL is: http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz/alarm/index.html Mike Peters has promised an official page soon. So it just remains for me to remind you that the more posts I receive, the more often a digest will be sent. Please be patient at first so that any initial problems can be sorted out. I must end with thanks to Andre and Melissa from the Simple Minds list for their help, support and software in getting this list up and (hopefully) running. Thanx, Steve. ========================================================= From: Mikko Hdnninen Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest > From: Gladstone > Subject: Re: WWW Page future plans > > > 2. Links to other, "related" bands. > > How about Big Country? I think they have a lot in common with the > Alarm, both musically and lyrically. Both bands have tried to make > music with a difference, and the things they write and sing about > are things they believe in. I'm glad someone else picked my favourite (with Alarm of course) band. :) Yes, I think too they do have things in common. Okay, any more suggestions? I don't want to make a list of music _I_ listen to, I want to make a list of music _Alarm fans_ listen to. Certainly there will be lots of differences here too, but perhaps some common bands could be found. Just to make things easier, here are some of the bands I enjoy listening to (not necessarily even close to the Alarm in style): Big Country Marillion The Rainmakers Runrig Jethro Tull Simple Minds The Cure If you find your favourites here, go ahead and tell us (or me)! > From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) > Subject: Q Review > > For everyone who hasn't seen it yet, here is the Q Magazine review of > Mike Peters "Breathe - The Acoustic Sessions". I took the liberty to put this available on the Web page. :) Actually, since the list archive is available in full, _all_ messages are publicly available, sooner or later. I hope that doesn't disturb anyone here... -- Mikko Hdnninen, aka. Wizard // Metsdhovi Radio Research Station // Stay Alive! wiz@nova.hut.fi // Roleplayer, computer enthusiast // -Big Country http://bigear.hut.fi/~wiz // RPG(GURPS/Misc)*Anime(BGC)*Marillion*Elfquest IRC: Wizzu // Fantasy*Sandman*LOTR*Snarf*CW*Linux*Amiga*HUT finger for more info! // .sig under work -- beware of falling letters! === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Jun 26 19:01:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sQGb6-000CdBC; Mon, 26 Jun 95 19:01 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:58:56 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:58:53 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: AlarMPO - the official Web page Other bands The Official Mike Peters & Alarm WWW site Re: Today's Digest various Thought About WEB Page Merchandise Amnesty Int. Press Kits: Change/Change I ============================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: AlarMPO - the official Web page Date sent: 23-JUN-1995 15:12:19 I dont know whether this has been posted but the official Web page is open. Can't remember where it is though! Only kidding.. it it http://www.demon.co.uk/alarmpo. It is excellent. Welcome back Steve - the list has been sorely missed (well at least by me it has!). Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Other bands Date sent: 23-JUN-1995 15:15:15 Well since someone wanted to know what other music Alarm fans listen to, here's my list. Big Country - there new album (Why The Long Face?) is well worth buying. A bit of a side issue here.. at the same time as The Alarm released the Raw album (or shortly after) Big Country released Keep On Rocking In The Free World as an extra track on a CD single. Mike was asked about this during an interview (Radio 1 session?) and he said that they would invite then down for a jam. Did it ever take place? Georgia Satellites - great live band - I had ringing in my ears for a week after seeing them in concert! Guns'n'Roses - some great hard rock music with some great lyrics that often go unheard e.g. Civil War. There the only ones (besides The Alarm) that I have all the albums of. Other groups that I have one or two albums of are U2, Simple Minds, The Bluebells, Beautiful South etc See quite a wide taste in music Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" From: Gary Freedman Subject: The Official Mike Peters & Alarm WWW site As Steve Vary is taking a well deserved break, I am mailing all members on his list to announce the launch of the Official Mike Peters & The Alarm Home Page. http://www.demon.co.uk/alarmpo Please use all lower case letters! The site contains the latest MP information including forthcoming tour dates, merchandise, and tons of other information regarding Mike Peters and The Alarm. The site has been set up for Netscape, but should work with any WWW browser. http://www.demon.co.uk/alarmpo -- happy surfing -- -- Gary Freedman Subject: Re: Today's Digest Just wanted to say that I got the first list and all is well! I'm so excited...I've loved the Alarm ever since The Stand days! My email address will be moving in a few days..How do I let you know what the new one is? As for the favorite bands thing, here's a *few* of mine: (At least this is what is in the CD player now) Alarm (Eye of the Hurricane) Tori Amos (Little Earthquakes) Sarah McLachlan (Fumbling Towards Ecstasy) Hootie and the Blowfish (Cracked Rear View) Toad the Wet Sprocket (Pale) Peter Gabriel (Shaking the Tree) Well...that is but a few...Just don't flame me! Have a great day! Alexis From: Richard Yen Subject: various First off, I'd like to welcome Steve back. Hope you had a good vacation. A couple of weeks ago, Mikko posted a couple of questions about Change. One of these referred to the text/poem in the liner notes. I believe he's referring to the lyrics of the song Change I. It was released as a b-side to Raw on red vinyl. As most of us know, the official MPO web site is up and running. Lots of interesting things available there. One of the things there that really piqued my interest was the inclusion of an extract from an upcoming biography of MP and the Alarm. It looks like it'll be pretty detailed and informative. Hope its available soon. Another thing that got my interest was the hinting of an MTV Unplugged session. I had thought this would be a possibility for the release of the b-sides album, as part of its promotion, with Dave and Mike getting together. Anyway, however it might happen, it should be fun. BTW, does anyone know if all the MTV UNplugged sessions are available on video and cd? Or will I have to tape it off the tv if the Canadian video station ever decides to show it? -Richard From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Thought About WEB Page Well, I thought that the WWW site was really well done. Gary should be commended. I favorite part was the "Toilets" history. It gave a little insight into Eddie MacDonald and Nigel Twist that we rarely got to see. I still wish we could hear some more stories from those guys. The news was interesting as well. I was very surprised that Dave Sharp would record something with Bono and Willie Nelson. That is really cool. Can't wait to see more... -Steve Fulton From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Merchandise Date sent: 26-JUN-1995 08:15:40 I picked up a copy of the Absolute tour programme on Saturday and it contained a merchandise sheet. It brought back quite a few memories of what items were avialable at the time, and what I missed out on buying! It got me thinking about what could have happened to unsold stock, or do we assume that it all sold out? Would nt it be great to stumble across a huge pile of old Alarm items. I'm certianly going to find out if the company (was it ACME?) still exist. The merchandise sheet brought back fond memories of an Alarm t-shirt I used to have. It was black with the poppy on the front made up from the words to Absolute Reality, with the same words on the back. It was by far my most favourite t-shirt and I was heartbroken when it eventually dropped to pieces from being washed to often! I would love to get my hands on another one, at the moment I just stare longingly at the merchandise sheet. Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Amnesty Int. Date sent: 26-JUN-1995 08:24:40 Recently I picked up a 7" picture disk featuring a picture of The Alarm, but the tracks appear to be from an Amnesty International interview/ statement but I know it is not any member of The Alarm speaking. Can anyone shed some light on this? And what has it got to do with The Alarm? Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Press Kits: Has anyone ever seen, or know someone who has press materials, press releases, or press kits for: -"Eye Of The Hurricane" -"Electric Folklore" live -"Standards" ??? If anyone even thinks they know that these exist, please tell me. -Steve Fulton From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Change/Change I Mikko asked the following questions: >I have a couple of questions about the Change album. >First, the song _A New South Wales_, the liner notes say it was >recorded at BBC Wales Cardiff with the Morriston Orpheus Male Voice >Choir and members of the Welsh Symphony Orchestra. It's obviously a >live performance, but was this done on the sole purpose of recording >the song, or was it done in some concert? Does anyone know? I'm not sure exactly WHEN the song was recorded, but I think it was done live for an audience. Two other songs were released from the same recording session. A live version of "Rivers To Cross" with the symphony and the Morriston Orpheus Male Voice Quiur, and a version of the same song in Welsh. >Second, about the poem (text, whatever) included in the liner notes >too. Is that an actual poem or lyrics to some song, or written only for >the album? This began life as a poem by Mike. It was recorded sometime in 1989, and relased on the back of the red vinyl copy of the Raw 7" single (ALARM CV3) under the name "Change I". The song is a real departure from the sound of "Raw", and I think it is great. Other people however, don't think so. Those people are wrong :-) -Steve Fulton === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Tue Jun 27 17:05:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sQbGH-000CdFC; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:05 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:02:17 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:02:15 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: other bands The Alarm list - Today's Digest Bits and bobs ============================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: other bands Since Mikko asked for our opinion about adding links to other bands on his home page, I'll throw in my opinion. I think it'd be nice if there were links to the pages of bands similar to the Alarm. But then, we run into the old problem of who does the Alarm sound like or who they are similar to. Of course, for each person, the answer is different. I think it'd be easier if Mikko just added the links to the pages of other bands that he likes. This way, they may actually be bands similar to the Alarm, or we have the possibility of being introduced to bands we don't know too much about. Any good Finnish rock bands? I also saw the posting by Alexis who mentioned liking Sarah McLachlan. I like her music a lot too, but her music is quite a contrast to the Alarm's. She readily admits to it being depressing. Wait. There is a point to me rambling on about her ;-). She recently released an EP which came in two formats: 1) regular cd and 2)Multimedia CD with about 20-30 minutes of stuff you could see with your computer. I think that a lot of what Mike said regarding the songs on Breathe on his home page would be great on a MM cd. We could actually see his face and expressions as he spoke. He might be able to add pictures of where he wrote songs etc. This of course is not a rumour, but a wish for the future. What do you think about this kind of cd? -Richard ========================================================= From: QUKD64A@prodigy.com (MR MICHAEL P MCDERMOTT) Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Hi guys, I was on the new web page last night and it is excellent! Something caught my eye while I was reading Mike's personal review of "Breathe" and it's songs, in one of the reviews of the songs (which one I'm not sure), Mike spoke of having a "Road to Damascus" realization. I'm not sure, but is he referring to the All About Eve B-side song of the same name? That song is a traditional acoustic AAE song but instead of Julianne Regan singing, the vocals are comprised of samples from (BBC?) news segments about the capture and release of a hostage in the Middle East. Am I off base here? Mike in Green Bay, WI, USA ========================================================= From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Bits and bobs Thanks for all the "Welcome back" and "Hope you enjoyed your holidays" messages. I had a great holiday, and now am looking forward to the rest of the year. Both Mike and Dave should be touring over the next 6 months or so. I'm sorry yesterdays digest looked a bit rough but I was speaking to Jules for so long on the phone that I was pushed for time. She told me that Mike has been offered the support slot on Big Country's October UK tour. He has not, I REPEAT NOT, confirmed yet, but it looks a good bet. I was going to go anyway so I have bought my tickets. If Mike is there then I think I just might enjoy that night. :-) There isn't much other news apart from what is on Gary's web page. If there are any people out there who can't access the page then I think a summary of the latest news should be posted here too. Any offers? Some people have sent a list of favourite bands so I thought I should post mine just so you know the sort of person you are dealing with: The Alarm (small beat combo some might have heard of) Big Country The Clash Inxs Jess Midnight Oil New Model Army REM (but not Monster) Runrig Simple Minds Stiff Little Fingers U2 (mainly the pre AB stuff) need I add Mike and Dave to this list? Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Wed Jun 28 17:29:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sQy7a-000CdaC; Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:29 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:26:28 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:26:26 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: The Alarm list - Today's Digest The Alarm list - Today's Digest music-first stuff Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Other bands... 7" Questions... ============================================== From: Bobby Hutchins <74431.247@compuserve.com> Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Mike wrote: >> Mike spoke of having a "Road to Damascus" realization. I'm not sure, but is he referring to the All About Eve B-side song of the same name? That song is a traditional acoustic AAE song but instead of Julianne Regan singing, the vocals are comprised of samples from (BBC?) news segments about the capture and release of a hostage in the Middle East. Am I off base here?<< The "Road to Damascus" inference comes from a biblical event in the New Testament book of Acts. The apostle Paul, prior to his conversion, was on the road to Damascus to persecute Christians. He saw a bright light and was temporarily blinded. Christ appeared to him and asked him "why are you persecuting me?". It was through this dramatic conversion that we get the term. Hope this helps. Rev. Bobby Hutchins ========================================================= From: Bobby Hutchins <74431.247@compuserve.com> Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest By the way, An Call fans out there? Michael Been and the boys have made some great music. Bobby Hutchins ========================================================= From: Peter Maheras Subject: music-first hello-this is my first post-and i certainly hope not my last-i really don't know where to start-so please don't mind the jibberesh- i have been a alarm fan since 85 aprox-when i heard they broke up i was very upset and did'nt listen to them untill recently nad than i found the alarm post-(is there a name for this newsgroup)?im first and foremost a u2 fan-and always will-which brings me to my second question-during live aid, in particular u2's performance-there is someone with the alarm sign(flag) in the audience who looks like mike peter's -is it mike? now for the bad or good news-depending how you see it- i would like to get rid of my alarm collection-now that they have broken up i don't see any reason to keep there stuff-i can't explain this-it really hurt hearing about the break up and the feeling of there live performances taken away-i had seen them 9 times b4 the breakup-although i will be collecting mike peter's and other solo material from the group i would like to sell my alarm material-autograph's,promo's,bootlegs,photograph's-etc-to much to mention= please send me your want list-or trade's for u2 stuff which im looking for- anyways i would still like to contribute to the list when i can in the future-i have respect for the band and the direction mike is taking- here is a list of some other bands i listen to u2u2u2u2u2 midnight oil weddings parties and anything hot house flowers lowest of the low(toronto band)-broke up recently stevie wonder-listen to the words bb king jazz-miles davis u2 i hope i have'nt taken up to much room-steve if you will permit me -i can list all my alarm material-for sale-or trade-reasonable prices- thank you maherap@gov.on.ca in memory-peter maheras---->toronto- ========================================================= From: Chris_Morin@vos.stratus.com Subject: stuff Hi all!! I can't access the Web page so if someone would please, please, please post updates I would be eternally gratefull. Has anyone got Mike's acoustic Breathe disk? I'm going to order it but I'm looking for reviews... Chris =========================================================== Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest From: Juergen Gizzi Hi everyone, O. K. let me add my favourite bands list to the list, too: The Alarm U2 (pre "Zooropa" stuff) Midnight Oil New Model Army The Mission Mike Peters (anyone ever heard of him??) The Clash The Damned ( mainly the mid-eighties stuff ) Rausch { Two German Unemployed Ministers { indy bands Juergen ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Other bands... Ok, here is my slant on the "Other band" issue I propose you take a serious/tounge-in-cheek approach to the links to other band's WEB pages... Example: Links To Bands That The Alarm Were Compared To But Really Didn't Sound Like ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Clash Bruce Springsteen Style Council Links To Bands That The Alarm Were Friends With And Definately didn't sound like ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Spandau Ballet Links To Bands whose songs That Mike Peters Once said "could be Alarm songs with different lyrics" (And he may now regret it). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Culture Club Links To Artists That You Think Of When You Think Of Culture Club Who Are also Artists that The Alarm were once paired with on a Westwood One Radio Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marillion Links To Bands/Artists That The Alarm covered songs by: ------------------------------------------------------- The Who Woodie Guthrie Bob Dylan Neil Young John Lennon Pete Seeger (Well, Dave did) Eddie Cochrane (Dave Again) Links To Famous New Wave Bands That Started Out At "Upstairs At Eriks" --------------------------------------------------------------- Echo And The Bunnymen Wah A Flock Of Seagulls Icicle Works Links To Bands The Alarm SHOULD Have Been Compred To More Often ---------------------------------------------------------------- Stiff Little Fingers The Skids Links To Bands That You Think Of When You Think Of The Alarm ------------------------------------------------------------- Big Country Midnight Oil Simple Minds U2 And finally... Links To Bands That I Think Are Cool, but are in no wat related To The Alarm in any way... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Soul Asylum Goo Goo Dolls Drivin'n'Cryin Long Ryders Junk Monkeys etc. etc. etc... I apologize in advance for the above :-) -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: 7" Questions... Does anyone know if the following Alarm 7" singles were ever released in a standard UK version: (not gatefold of colored or shaped,promo, etc.) -Knife Edge -Rescue Me Thanks, -Steve === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Thu Jun 29 17:05:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sRKDM-000CdcC; Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:05 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:01:25 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:01:22 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Acoustic Breathe and 7" singles UK 12" singles Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... WWW Site, and Phoenix Festival Oops...I forgot... The Call Alarm Recordings Update Breathe - German fanclub release ============================================== Subject: Acoustic Breathe and 7" singles Date sent: 28-JUN-1995 15:46:49 I've got the acoustic Breathe and have yet to be impressed by it. I keep listening as others have raved about it but still I think it is poor by Mike's standards. I wouldnt really call it acoustic anyway - when he does play an acoustic guitar it is an electric acoustic one. I was expecting the type of sound ala Absolute Reality (impromptu version). I just hope that when Breathe - The Abbey Road Sessions (if that is what it is called) is released, it offers something different from Breathe - The Original and something better then Breathe - The Acoustic Sessions (with the odd piano). The standard UK 7" single of Rescue Me does exist (I have a copy to prove it), but... the KnifeEdge single I'm not sure. I'd like to think it exists both in standard 7" and 7" double gatefold sleeve but I dont know of anybody who owns either. Does this mean I can add these two items to your wants list Steve? Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" ========================================================= From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: UK 12" singles Date sent: 28-JUN-1995 15:59:23 Steve F. and myself were discussing the Love Dont Come Easy and Raw 12" singles whilst Steve Varty took his well deserved rest. Does anyone know whether these 12"s exist without the limited edition posters? Indeed does anyone own them? Neither Steve nor myself own them or have seen them. Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" ============================================= From: PhilV927@aol.com Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's ... Hi, this is my first post, it's great to finally get a good source of info about what's going on with the Alarm these days. The web site looks great, I've had a problem printing different sections of it out though. I tried from 2 different machines on 2 different browsers, has anyone else experienced any difficulty ? Also FYI, I tried to call the US phone number for the MPO today and got a recording that the number has not yet been activated, hopefully soon, I can't wait to get the accoustic CD. Here's a question that may have been covered in the past (sorry !). About 2 years ago I was at a concert at the Stone Pony in NJ and they were having a show of local bands the following night, one of the bands was The Accoustic Terrorists featuring Dave Sharp formerly of the Alarm. Unfortunately I couldn't go and have been wondering about it since....Any info ? Hope this isn't too long.... I'll finish with my list of bands: The Replacements/Paul Westerberg The Clash Joan Jett U2 (especially older stuff ) The Cure Elvis Costello The Ramones -Phil ========================================================= From: Gary Freedman Subject: WWW Site, and Phoenix Festival Hello Alarm Mailing List, First of all I would like to thank everyone for their kind and constructive comments regarding the Official Web Site, especially Steve Fulton who even found facts on the site that he didn't know! Amazing! I will always mail this group when changes have been made to the site, to make sure no one misses out. BTW there is a Web site set up for the Phoenix festival at: http://www.cerberus.co.uk/cdj/phoenixcarlsberg Mike is playing on the Carlsberg stage on the 16th June. -- http://www.demon.co.uk/alarmpo -- happy surfing! -- Gary Freedman ========================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Oops...I forgot... Ooops..I forgot a few bands The Alarm covered songs from... ----------- Rod Stewart Slade Free Golden Earring -------------- Of course, these bands probably don't have WEB pages! -Steve Fulton ========================================================= [EDITORIAL] I vote we remove Mr. F. for such sarcastic postings :-) ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: The Call Bobby Hutchins asked about "The Call"... I liked The Call as well, but after "Everywhere I Go", and then 2 albums later with "Let The Day Begin", they really lost it. I'm not even sure what they are doing now. -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Alarm Recordings Update Alarm Recordings Update ----------------------- Various Artists/Compilations ---------------------------- There have been a few recent Various Arists compilations with The Alarm featured on them, released here in the USA in the last year. In case anyone is keeping track, here they are: Name Alarm Song Year ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On The Charts:IRS Records 1979-1994 "Rain In The Summertime" 1994 The Coolest Christmas "Happy Christmas(War Is Over) 1994 Hazy Shade Of 80's "Sold Me Down The River" 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By the way, "The Coolest Christmas" DOES contain The Alarm's version of "Happy Christmas(War Is Over), not the John Lennon version. [In case anyone thought I was an idiot :-)] Untamed Heart ------------- Devolution Working Man Blues might have been featured in the movie "Untamed Heart" but I don't believe it was on the sound track for the movie. Ski School ---------- Alarm music was featured in the Movie "Ski School". I believe 3 songs from "Change" were featured, one was "Sold Me Down The River", but I don't know what the others were. I haven't been able to locate a soundtrack for the movie. RAW --- The album "Raw" is now out of print. This is really sad considering there are 3 or 4 classic Alarm songs on that record. Cassettes --------- Related to the above, IRS has ceased printing USA versions of any Alarm albums, or Dave Sharp's "Hard Travellin'" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ That's all that I've dug up in the last few weeks. When I collect some more info, I'll spill it all out -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Breathe - German fanclub release Date sent: 29-JUN-1995 07:54:27 Anybody heard of this German fan-club only release of Breathe? Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Fri Jun 30 17:15:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sRgrE-000CbwC; Fri, 30 Jun 95 17:15 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:11:35 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:11:33 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Alarm music in films Yes... Dave's Acoustic Terror! A Conspiracy!! :-) Hopes for the future Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest ============================================== From: Richard Yen Subject: Alarm music in films Steve Fulton mentioned that Alarm music was used in the film Ski School. Its funny, when the film came out, I saw the ad saying "Featuring music by the Alarm". Of course the film bombed and left theatres before I could see it. I then forgot the name of the movie and didn't rent it. Then, last year, I saw it on TV dubbed into French and heard some of the music. I then figured out which tape to rent in English. Anyway, it does have "Sold Me Down the River" as well as "Absolute Reality" a couple of times. I think there may have been another song from the Change album. I saw another movie (yet again an English language movie dubbed into French) about some American soccer player who wanted to learn how to play soccer from a guy played by Pele (can't tell if he was playing himself). Anyway, the film opened up with "Strength", so I couldn't help watching to see if any other songs were played. None were. What a horrible movie. I don't know its title, and don't really care. But since Steve F. was mentioning movies... -Richard ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Yes... >The standard UK 7" single of Rescue Me does exist (I have a copy to >prove it), but... the KnifeEdge single I'm not sure. I'd like to think >it exists >both in standard 7" and 7" double gatefold sleeve but I dont know of >anybody who owns either. Does this mean I can add these two items to >your wants list Steve? Of course!!! I saw another thing that interested me as well. I copy of "Declaration" on vinyl, with a misprinted record label. Apparently the label has a different band's songs listed. Does anyone knowe anything about this? -Steve Fulton ========================================================= From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: Dave's Acoustic Terror! >Here's a question that may have been covered in the past (sorry !). >About 2 years ago I was at a concert at the Stone Pony in NJ and they >were having a show of local bands the following night, one of the bands >was The Accoustic Terrorists featuring Dave Sharp formerly of the >Alarm. Unfortunately I couldn't go and have been wondering about it >since....Any info ? I believe Dave toured with a few guys from the Barnstormers and a few other musicians in 1992 under the name "The Acoustic Terrorists". I think he toured both the USA and the UK, but I know for sure that he never made it the West Coast of the USA... -Steve Fulton ========================================================== From: sfulton@ix.netcom.com (Steve Fulton) Subject: A Conspiracy!! :-) A Conspiracy!! :-) Twice on today's list I was shot at... 1. First from the "Book Depository" >First of all I would like to thank everyone for their kind and >constructive comments regarding the Official Web Site, especially Steve >Fulton who even found facts on the site that he didn't know! Amazing! 2. and secondly, a shot rang from the "Grassy Knoll" >[EDITORIAL] > >I vote we remove Mr. F. for such sarcastic postings > And I made it alive!! :-) -Steve Fulton ========================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Hopes for the future Date sent: 30-JUN-1995 08:13:00 Does anyone know if Mike reads the list? If he does here's what I'd like to see released in the near future. The Alarm at Cardiff Arms Park video and CD Mike and the Poets live video and CD The Alarm - Radio Sessions (CD) The Alarm - BBC Live In Concert (triple CD set) The Alarm - b-sides album (double CD) A video featuring all the material shown at The Gatherings, which most people never get to visit. That's about it I think... well I can dream of this happening... I might just get one of them. Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" ========================================================= Subject: Re: The Alarm list - Today's Digest From: Juergen Gizzi >Steve F. and myself were discussing the Love Dont Come Easy and Raw 12" >singles whilst Steve Varty took his well deserved rest. Does anyone >know whether these 12"s exist without the limited edition posters? >Indeed does anyone own them? Neither Steve nor myself own them or have >seen them. To my knowledge the "Raw" 12inch does exist in a standard format. I saw it one time in London in Kensington market. It contains the titles the same titles as the CDsingle minus the "68 guns" version. I didn;t buy it, cause I already had the CDsingle. Juergen === End of today's digest === From newcastle.ac.uk!Steve.Varty Mon Jul 3 17:11:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by bigbang.hut.fi with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0sSmDS-000Cc5C; Mon, 3 Jul 95 17:11 EET DST Received: from newton.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:05:41 +0100 From: "Steve Varty" Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:05:38 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: The Alarm list - Today's Digest Reply-To: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Apparently-To: wiz@bigbang.hut.fi Status: RO The Alarm Mailing List ====================== Today's Topics: Mis-pressings Artwork Who's buying everything? Re: Stephen Ds wish list BIG SALE-FINALLY! Jamming! ============================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Mis-pressings Date sent: 30-JUN-1995 15:20:38 I have never heard of the mis-pressed Declaration label, but there are some mispressed Strength albums. Everything is as normal except the music is not the Alarm. I've just read about this recently, but I cant quite remember where! Was it one of your transcribed interviews Steve? Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" ========================================================= From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Artwork Date sent: 30-JUN-1995 15:23:16 Does anyone own any of The Alarm's artwork for albums, singles etc? I recently tried to buy the artwork for the Standards cassette but it had already been sold. Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" ========================================================== From: tcrstephen@icr.ac.uk Subject: Who's buying everything? Date sent: 30-JUN-1995 15:25:01 Recently I wrote to quite a few of the bigger dealers in Record Collector and got back quite a few lists of Alarm goodies. Most of the items I already own, but some I didnt - when I sent off/rang up to reserve the item(s) somebody got there first! So own up - who is it? Somebody is buying up Alarm related stuff - do they know something we dont? Stephen "To climb the ladders, you've got to suss out the snakes" +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen Darlington Tel: 0181-642-7692 | | E-Mail: TCRSTEPHEN@EPIDEM.ICR.AC.UK Fax: 0181-770-3644 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Remember your height, remember to never look down" ========================================================== From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Re: Stephen Ds wish list > > Does anyone know if Mike reads the list? If he does here's what I'd like > to see released in the near future. > As far as I know (Gary is the expert here) Mike has read the list but isn't a regular reader. I know many of the things on the list get back to him. eg Jules told me about a message 1 day before I received it! Spooky or what :-) > The Alarm at Cardiff Arms Park video and CD > Mike and the Poets live video and CD > The Alarm - Radio Sessions (CD) > The Alarm - BBC Live In Concert (triple CD set) > The Alarm - b-sides album (double CD) > A video featuring all the material shown at The Gatherings, which most > people never get to visit. > Well, the b-sides CD was due for October last I heard. I will be meeting my record shop friend on the 8th. If she has any more info I'll pass it on. I don't think Mike has any plans at the moment of releasing a live CD or video of the Poets, but I would think that something will be released at some point. What you have to remember is that there are 4 people to consult about an Alarm release who live some distance apart, and any release will take some time to sort out. If all goes to plan though we have an Alarm album, a Dave Sharp album and a Mike Peters album all due within 12 months or so. Add tours to this and I think we have enough to keep us busy. A triple CD live set: Now that IS the stuff that dreams are made of. Steve. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = <>< From: Steve Varty | Dept. of Computing Science; | Mike Peters = = Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk | University of Newcastle U Tyne | Breathe = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================= From: Peter Maheras Subject: BIG SALE-FINALLY! Hello I have finally found some time to list all my Alarm items for sale- since I only have a vague idea what these items sell for I will not post any DEFINATE PRICES-only in rare cases I will post the price-there will be a minimum of 10 dollars for a order to go out-if you need a clearer description from what's below please e-mail me directly at maherap@gov.on.ca-i live in canada now but will probably become a dual citizen soon-all offers to be made in us dollars please-hmm-what else-oh yeah-i have